USMFAN#1 Wrote:young team my azz....the entire offensive line is about to graduate

Nope not the entire offensive line. One Guy has 3 years left, and the other has about a year left. Now with that said you're right the offensive line had some expirence coming back. But outside of the offensive line not to many area's of our team have expirence. Maybe the wide recivers do but hell their dropping everything. Thats why we need a new postion coach.

For those who talk about "state of the program" all things considered, last year was probably the best job Bower has done, take into consideration 2 hurricanes, 3 or 4 games in 16 days. Then he brings in the best recruiting class in years. The season's not over &

I'm not Bowers biggest fan. However I'll give the man his due. I'm sure he can due a better job than anyone that's posted on this thread.

I remember USM hired a GREAT defensive coach named Jim Carmody, he was run off after 6 seasons, Curley Hallman had 3 great years with the talent Carmody brought in then bolted for $$$$. Now Curley's the HS coach.

New starter at QB + freshman RB + no real depth = issues. I expected VaTech to run over us. ECU is a MUCH better team than they are given credit for - did ANYONE not see that during the West Virgina - ECU game? Tulsa is a great team there is no shame in losing to them.

Let's see, where to start ...

If/when Bower is no longer the coach at Southern Miss, numerous names will be mentioned. Had ECU not taken the plunge, Thompson probably would have topped many Golden Eagle fans' wish list. Many were ready to run off Bower and annoint JT when he was the DC in Hattiesburg.

USMFAN#1, you listed several names - none of which we would get. Every coach on your list makes at least what Bower makes already, and some (even the coordinators) make more. And why would Petrino leave his current situation - working for his brother on a top five team? It would have to be a decent BCS job for him to consider it. Personally, I think our next coach may come from the 1-AA ranks, just like Ohio State's did.

I remember the 1999 season. We finished 9-3, were C-USA and Liberty Bowl champions and were ranked No. 13 in the nation in the final polls - the highest finish for a Southern Miss team since it won its second small college national championship in 1962. Bower announced that "nine wins weren't good enough for Southern Miss." We all cheered. The team also hasn't reached nine wins since, much less surpassed it.

I agree that Bower doesn't seem to have the fire he used to. The ECU game is a perfect example; we were totally out-coached by Holtz and his staff. That frustrates me.

I also know that Bower has given a stabilizing influence to what has sometimes been a non-stable program. We all remember wins over Alabama, Florida State, etc. in the "glory days," but we tend to forget that we generally followed those big wins with losses to teams we should have crushed. That's changed. In 2000, we shut out Alabama - and followed with a win over Oklahoma State on the road. In 2004, we opened with a win at Nebraska - and followed with a win at Tulane. Just a couple of quick examples of how things have changed.

Personally, I think Bower is near the end of his coaching career. While I may be frustrated with several things, I do think he's earned the right to end his coaching career on his terms. I fully expect him to step down within the next couple of years - sooner if he wins another conference title. I can see him wanting to go out on top. Who knows, it very well could happen this year.

Southern Miss Alum Wrote:Let's see, where to start ...

If/when Bower is no longer the coach at Southern Miss, numerous names will be mentioned. Had ECU not taken the plunge, Thompson probably would have topped many Golden Eagle fans' wish list. Many were ready to run off Bower and annoint JT when he was the DC in Hattiesburg.

USMFAN#1, you listed several names - none of which we would get. Every coach on your list makes at least what Bower makes already, and some (even the coordinators) make more. And why would Petrino leave his current situation - working for his brother on a top five team? It would have to be a decent BCS job for him to consider it. Personally, I think our next coach may come from the 1-AA ranks, just like Ohio State's did.

I remember the 1999 season. We finished 9-3, were C-USA and Liberty Bowl champions and were ranked No. 13 in the nation in the final polls - the highest finish for a Southern Miss team since it won its second small college national championship in 1962. Bower announced that "nine wins weren't good enough for Southern Miss." We all cheered. The team also hasn't reached nine wins since, much less surpassed it.

I agree that Bower doesn't seem to have the fire he used to. The ECU game is a perfect example; we were totally out-coached by Holtz and his staff. That frustrates me.

I also know that Bower has given a stabilizing influence to what has sometimes been a non-stable program. We all remember wins over Alabama, Florida State, etc. in the "glory days," but we tend to forget that we generally followed those big wins with losses to teams we should have crushed. That's changed. In 2000, we shut out Alabama - and followed with a win over Oklahoma State on the road. In 2004, we opened with a win at Nebraska - and followed with a win at Tulane. Just a couple of quick examples of how things have changed.

Personally, I think Bower is near the end of his coaching career. While I may be frustrated with several things, I do think he's earned the right to end his coaching career on his terms. I fully expect him to step down within the next couple of years - sooner if he wins another conference title. I can see him wanting to go out on top. Who knows, it very well could happen this year.

Really? I mean, he's still relatively young in terms of coaching age. I'm not really disagreeing with you here, but what makes you think he would step down.

Oh, and you said we haven't reached 9 wins since 1999. We did that in 2003.

Southern Miss Alum well put in the above post.

I agree, Bower probably only has about 4 years left if that. Once his daughter is finished at USM (I'm not sure how close she actually is from graduating) I believe he will look for other things. Jeff Bower for AD anyone?

(I don't think Bower would become the AD, but you never know)

eaglewing505 Wrote:Oh, and you said we haven't reached 9 wins since 1999. We did that in 2003.

I stand corrected. I was thinking we only had eight wins that year.

eagleriffic Wrote:Southern Miss Alum well put in the above post.

I agree, Bower probably only has about 4 years left if that. Once his daughter is finished at USM (I'm not sure how close she actually is from graduating) I believe he will look for other things. Jeff Bower for AD anyone?

(I don't think Bower would become the AD, but you never know)

I think bower is a fine football coach. but I also think we should give the job to tyrone nix when he is ready.

Southern Miss Alum Wrote:Let's see, where to start ...

If/when Bower is no longer the coach at Southern Miss, numerous names will be mentioned. Had ECU not taken the plunge, Thompson probably would have topped many Golden Eagle fans' wish list. Many were ready to run off Bower and annoint JT when he was the DC in Hattiesburg.

USMFAN#1, you listed several names - none of which we would get. Every coach on your list makes at least what Bower makes already, and some (even the coordinators) make more. And why would Petrino leave his current situation - working for his brother on a top five team? It would have to be a decent BCS job for him to consider it. Personally, I think our next coach may come from the 1-AA ranks, just like Ohio State's did.

I remember the 1999 season. We finished 9-3, were C-USA and Liberty Bowl champions and were ranked No. 13 in the nation in the final polls - the highest finish for a Southern Miss team since it won its second small college national championship in 1962. Bower announced that "nine wins weren't good enough for Southern Miss." We all cheered. The team also hasn't reached nine wins since, much less surpassed it.

I agree that Bower doesn't seem to have the fire he used to. The ECU game is a perfect example; we were totally out-coached by Holtz and his staff. That frustrates me.

I also know that Bower has given a stabilizing influence to what has sometimes been a non-stable program. We all remember wins over Alabama, Florida State, etc. in the "glory days," but we tend to forget that we generally followed those big wins with losses to teams we should have crushed. That's changed. In 2000, we shut out Alabama - and followed with a win over Oklahoma State on the road. In 2004, we opened with a win at Nebraska - and followed with a win at Tulane. Just a couple of quick examples of how things have changed.

Personally, I think Bower is near the end of his coaching career. While I may be frustrated with several things, I do think he's earned the right to end his coaching career on his terms. I fully expect him to step down within the next couple of years - sooner if he wins another conference title. I can see him wanting to go out on top. Who knows, it very well could happen this year.

Very well put, I'd like to see him go out on his own terms I love the fact that people see him and know that he's the head coach of our unversity. My only gripe is I wish he'd hire better assistant coaches thats my biggest gripe.

Can we have Bower if you guys are done with him? I think he's a damn good coach.

RebelKev Wrote:Can we have Bower if you guys are done with him? I think he's a damn good coach.

Kev,

You can't have Bower, but I'm sure we could make you a great deal on former HC Curly Hallman or former offensive guru Rip Schear(sp?). Or Alabama might make you guys a deal on Mike Shula.

RebelKev Wrote:Can we have Bower if you guys are done with him? I think he's a damn good coach.

heck, you SEC boys are way too advanced to settle for a C-USA coach. the entire fanbase of south carolina nearly died of indigestion when spurrier hired an all-southern miss defensive staff. and that is south carolina, for heaven's sake.

RebelKev Wrote:heck, you SEC boys are way too advanced to settle for a C-USA coach. the entire fanbase of south carolina nearly died of indigestion when spurrier hired an all-southern miss defensive staff. and that is south carolina, for heaven's sake.

Believe it or not, Ole Miss doesn't hate USM like USM hates Ole Miss. I can tell you that if Orgeron was fired, and Bower put in his resume, he'd DEFINITELY be looked at. Football fans in Mississippi know what's up. We also know what he's done with USM in the face of all that he's had to put up with. I would assume it's pretty damn hard to recruit at USM. Hell, it's hard to recruit at Ole Miss. Bower knows how to coach. This is Orgeron's first job as HC. ....and he's not impressing me a damn bit.

RebelKev Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:heck, you SEC boys are way too advanced to settle for a C-USA coach. the entire fanbase of south carolina nearly died of indigestion when spurrier hired an all-southern miss defensive staff. and that is south carolina, for heaven's sake.

Believe it or not, Ole Miss doesn't hate USM like USM hates Ole Miss. I can tell you that if Orgeron was fired, and Bower put in his resume, he'd DEFINITELY be looked at. Football fans in Mississippi know what's up. We also know what he's done with USM in the face of all that he's had to put up with. I would assume it's pretty damn hard to recruit at USM. Hell, it's hard to recruit at Ole Miss. Bower knows how to coach. This is Orgeron's first job as HC. ....and he's not impressing me a damn bit.

It's not all about pure recruiting. It's about getting everything you can out of the players that you have. Bower can do that, and frankly Orgeron hasn't proven he can. Brent Schaeffer should prove that point.

I really think you guys need to give him the boot pronto and hire a guy who can "coach".

Reb you can have him

BlazingGoat Wrote:At least you beat the teams you are supposed to beat.

Quit Whining!!!

We lost to ECU this year and are 1 for three versus Memphis for the past three years. Five losses isn't enough for Bower fans. It wouldn't be so bad if we actually beat the teams we were supposed to beat.

This is halarious. It's like I left the Alabama board and came to the Alabama board. All I hear is talk about the glory days "so many years ago" or "we should've beat this school". Hey You get what you ask for.

I always thought you had a good program, but like some of your fellow fans have stated the grass may not be as green on the other side as you thought. Granted you got rid of your coach before you started to see a drastic fall in your program, but who do you expect to take his place. And do you really think they'll have that much of a sudden impact.

Well good luck Rolll....I mean Golllllden Eagllles