(10-30-2026 03:47 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 01:33 PM)Curumim Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 12:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 11:43 AM)Curumim Wrote:  

(10-29-2026 07:09 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  in whatever years it takes, the USD will own it ... the 'how' won't matter at that point...

the irony is they'll be much better off (for some) than now...

in war tactics theory, the first thing you go after is communications ... they'll never have a chance in the binary...

it's amazing how too few realize how DJT is restructuring the hemispheres by design...

oh, fk'n wellzy...

I mean, Trump's broader strategy in Latin America is interesting and could benefit the US in the long run. A more stable region free from authoritarian communist regimes could help address several issues:

- Fewer people would feel compelled to flee their countries, helping reduce illegal immigration;

- Greater regional cooperation could help disrupt drug trafficking networks and address the opioid crisis;

- A more stable and economically developed region could foster a new consumer base for american products.

What bothers me the most, though, is everything surrounding the Brazilian election and the integrity of the process. You don't see a defeated presidential candidate in exile to the US for no reason.

I'll give you some facts: In an unprecedented decision, a Supreme Court justice extended voting by two hours even though the polling stations had already shut down. Then, just seven minutes after the final results were announced, another Supreme Court justice reportedly ordered the seizure of the defeated candidate's passports.

And by the way, did you guys know that Brazil uses a fully electronic voting system, without a voter-verifiable paper trail?

The whole situation is just exhausting.

You might see that same candidate fleeing the country when facing severe money laundering charges. As is the case.

You know, just like Amy Actons father fleeing Ohio rather than face child rape charges on his daughter.

But the first impulse seems to be to *automatically* shovel the case of he lost, he fled. And funnily the fact of 5he pre-existing charges is simply not bothered with to the sole exclusion of solely blaming the act as the narrative of a dude who lost fleeing *solely* because of persecution.

He hasn't been convicted of any crime. While there are ongoing investigations involving him, being under investigation doesn't make someone a convicted criminal. There's a difference between allegations and proven guilt.

(10-30-2026 12:43 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Could be BS, but sources are claiming only a small percentage of Lula's win margin cast votes after the polls closed.

Quote:Only about 34,330 votes were registered on Brazil’s electronic voting machines after the original 17:00 closing time on Sunday 25 October 2026, according to the machine logs and TSE records. That is about 0.03% of the ballots and about 0.8% of Lula’s margin of 4,430,191 votes over Flávio Bolsonaro in the official results of the Superior Electoral Court (TSE).

Donald Trump told reporters in Iowa that the vote “looked like another rigged election, frankly” and that “With the extension given, it was very strange”, and no evidence was cited for either remark. Flávio Bolsonaro made the same extension the ground for his annulment call on election night, so the count shows how small it was in votes.

https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-vo...330-votes/

And we're supposed to take the word of an authoritarian court known for being not only biased but also politically persecutory. The regime uses lawfare against anyone who opposes it, and we have less and less room for protest here. Don't just take my word for it. Look at CNN's reporting.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HV4U7PdWAAAwl0b.jpg
https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/le...la-ladrao/

Glenn Greenwald has been vocal in his criticism of these issues. The presidential candidate isn't the only one leaving the country:

Frankly, it's beyond me why you guys would try to defend a regime that aligns itself with the likes of Maduro.

We're not talking about America here. Bolivarianism is much closer to home...

This. Thanks for posting this, man. Again, I pray no harm comes to you.

To everyone else: With all due respect to tanq and the rest, I’ll take this guy’s word for it, especially regarding this whole situation. Y’all should, too.

Im sure Curmin believes all he says as well.

The difference between you and I it appears is that are more than willing to believe one person from amongst literally tens of millions and who is also a very staunch supporter of one viewpoint, and that is far from sufficient to me.

I have merely noted that from amongst friends and past colleagues who now reside in Brazil —- one side highly hypes the injustice of ‘he lost, and felt the need to flee’, and also at the same time fails to denote the actual long and deep legal issues around flavio.

• The Father's Biopic Investigation (Opened July 2026): Supreme Court Justice André Mendonça opened a probe into the illicit financing of Dark Horse, an unreleased film biography of Jair Bolsonaro. Leaked audio from May 2026 revealed Flávio negotiating roughly $24 million to fund the film with Daniel Vorcaro, a jailed banker tied to a massive fraud ring involving Banco Master. Federal police are investigating whether this involved corruption and money laundering.
• The Online Betting & Crypto Scheme (Opened October 2026): Led by Justice Alexandre de Moraes, federal police discovered that Flávio was listed as a "master user" with full management access to bank accounts owned by his close friend, lawyer Willer Tomaz. The account allegedly moved over R$130 million ($25 million USD) in a complex money-laundering web involving digital payment platforms and online gambling sectors. This was the probe that triggered his travel ban and passport seizure.
• Illegal Foreign Campaign Funding (Opened October 2026): Immediately following the election, the Supreme Court opened a separate inquiry into whether Flávio's presidential campaign received illegal financial backing from abroad. Investigators are looking specifically into alleged financial ties to U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance's donor network, which is explicitly banned under the Brazilian Constitution.
• Criminal Defamation: He is also facing a lesser Supreme Court inquiry into alleged criminal defamation against President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva during the heated 2026 campaign cycle.

These could only proceed after the election due to the Brazilian legal structure that give parliamentary immunity to senators like Flavio.

Seems there was a lot to bolster the Brazilian SC to revoke his passport.

And GC, you are entitled to give any number of people your trust to believe them solely. Your right, your prerogative. On the other hand, there is a LOT more in the water than most Flavio supporters give any credit, or even indication of. As for that, I don’t have an opinion that Flavio is the king of Brazilian victimhood, or some two bit criminal with deep ties to previous administrations and deserved justice.

He ran. That’s all we really know.

Meet the Two Transgender Lawmakers Targeting Flávio Bolsonaro

Quote:

After Flávio Bolsonaro lost the Oct. 25 presidential runoff, transgender federal deputy Erika Hilton petitioned Justice Alexandre de Moraes on Oct. 26 to seize his passports, including his diplomatic passport. He also asked the Prosecutor-General’s Office to urgently consider restrictions on him.

Fellow transgender deputy Duda Salabert separately requested the seizure of his passport. That day, Moraes approved a Federal Police request to seize Flávio’s passports as part of a money laundering investigation involving him and lawyer Willer Tomaz.

Flávio, who has denied wrongdoing and has not been charged, did not surrender his passports. He left Brazil on Oct. 27 and arrived in Miami the following day after the State Department granted visas to him and his family.

Following reports of his departure, Hilton asked the court to freeze his and his wife Fernanda Bolsonaro’s assets and bank accounts, calling him a “traitor to the homeland.” As of Oct. 28, the court had not ruled on that request.

The petitions followed a history of conflict between the two deputies and the Bolsonaro family. Hilton and Salabert belong to the Socialism and Liberty Party (PSOL), an ally of President Lula da Silva’s Workers’ Party (PT). Lula, who won a historic fourth presidential term, has PSOL members in his cabinet: Guilherme Boulos serves as Secretary-General of the Presidency, and Sonia Guajajara heads the Ministry of Indigenous Peoples.

Hilton campaigned for Lula across Brazil’s Northeast before the runoff, telling a Fortaleza rally on Oct. 19 that Brazil did not want four more years of a Bolsonaro government. He has also said he may join the PT in 2027. Flávio’s platform proposed restricting transgender athletes from women’s competitions.

Hilton had sought similar measures against Flávio’s brother Eduardo in July 2025, when he asked Moraes to freeze Eduardo’s bank accounts and assets. Hilton accused Eduardo of working with the Trump administration on its 50% tariff on Brazilian goods. Eduardo replied on X, “I didn’t know João had asked to block my assets. João, hey, soccer on Saturday!” using a male name to refer to Hilton.

Hilton then sued Eduardo for transphobia in a São Paulo civil court, seeking R$20,000 (about $3,900) in damages, removal of the post and a ban on similar posts. The case remains pending after a judge granted Eduardo’s request to postpone the hearing until after the election.

Hilton, a 33-year-old deputy from São Paulo and former sex worker, according to the Washington Blade, was re-elected on Oct. 4 with nearly 1.6 million votes, the most ever received by a woman in a Chamber of Deputies election.

He co-authored the constitutional amendment, enacted by Congress on Oct. 16, that replaces Brazil’s six-day workweek with a five-day week and gradually reduces maximum weekly hours from 44 to 40. He has advocated going further, proposing a four-day, 36-hour week.

Hilton also introduced a bill granting amnesty to anyone charged with or convicted of abortion since 1940. He has sought to remove language from an abortion bill that would criminalize the procedure in rape cases. He chairs the Chamber’s Women’s Committee, a position that a PoderData poll found 74% disapproved of his holding the position.

Salabert, a former literature teacher from Minas Gerais who describes himself as vegan in his electoral filing, was re-elected on Oct. 4 with 229,535 votes. He left PSOL in 2019, calling the party structurally transphobic, and announced his return on March 31, 2026, after several years in the Democratic Labor Party (PDT).

He has said he entered politics in response to what he called the “coup” against Dilma Rousseff, Lula’s successor from the Workers’ Party. Brazil’s Senate voted 61–20 to remove Rousseff from office in August 2016 for breaking budget laws.

Salabert, who was born male, identifies as a woman and a lesbian, and is married to Raísa Novaes, a biological woman. Their biological child, Sol, was born in June 2019. Salabert stopped hormone treatment so Novaes could become pregnant. The couple chose a gender-neutral name so their child would not need to change it if it turned out to be transgender.

On January 8, 2023, a week after Lula’s inauguration, supporters of Jair Bolsonaro who rejected his election defeat stormed Congress, the Supreme Court and the presidential palace in Brasília. In March 2025, as Bolsonaro’s allies sought amnesty for the rioters, Salabert introduced Bill 1335/2025 to prohibit amnesty for anyone investigated or convicted of crimes against the democratic rule of law.

That month, he also asked the Prosecutor-General to seek Bolsonaro’s arrest over a rally speech in Copacabana and to seek restrictions barring him from social media and public events.

Salabert has also pursued legal action over statements about his gender. In a 2020 interview, Nikolas Ferreira, now a federal deputy for Bolsonaro’s Liberal Party (PL), said he would not recognize him as a woman and questioned whether his documents identified him as male or female, saying “it’s biology.”

Salabert sued, and a Minas Gerais court ordered Ferreira to pay R$80,000 in damages, later reduced to R$30,000 (about $5,900). Brazil’s Superior Court of Justice upheld the judgment in June 2025, making it final.

Commenting on Ferreira’s case in an August 2024 video, influencer Bianca Barreto called Salabert “a guy who says he is a trans woman, but is married to a woman and has a son or daughter.” In August 2026, Salvador’s 9th Criminal Court sentenced Barreto to two years in prison under a semi-open regime, which permits daytime release for work, and ordered her to pay R$20,000 (about $3,900) in moral damages. The case concerned her use of male pronouns and statements about Salabert’s gender.

Salabert’s Bill 4101/2024 would give people who legally change their sex from female to male one year to register for military service without a late-registration fine. Brazilian men must register in the year they turn 18, though registration does not necessarily lead to service. The bill argues that those legally classified as female at 18 should not face penalties for failing to register then.

Hilton’s companion bill, which would eliminate the fine for “transmasculine people,” was merged into Salabert’s proposal. On October 28, 2026, the Chamber’s Human Rights Committee approved the combined version by voice vote, adding confidentiality protections.

Hilton and Salabert submitted a bill on April 30, 2026, drafted by the National LGBTQIA+ Council, to establish “LGBTQIA+ Citizenship Houses” nationwide for victims of anti-LGBT discrimination and violence. It would also create policy agencies at all three levels of government and a national monitoring system. Hilton said the aim was to make the programs permanent state policy.

Salabert also co-authored a bill establishing a 12-to-30-year prison sentence for killing a lesbian because of her sexual orientation, which a Chamber committee approved this week. Other proposals would require restaurants in government agencies to serve vegan meals and ban the sale of glue rat traps nationwide.

Flávio remains in Miami with his family. During the campaign, Hilton sought to suspend “Tropa do Flávio”, a pro-Flávio WhatsApp channel he accused of spreading false content.

PT deputies Lindbergh Farias and Rogério Correia, joined by deputy-elect Ana Elisa Santos, have asked Moraes to order Flávio’s preventive arrest and request an Interpol red notice.

Flávio’s Senate term ends early next year. Hilton and Salabert will then begin their new terms in a Chamber where his Liberal Party won the largest bloc of seats.

Well, considering he lives in Brazil and you don’t, tanq, yes, his opinion matters more to me than yours, in this case. That’s just the truth, my friend. It’s nothing personal.

(10-30-2026 05:51 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Well, considering he lives in Brazil and you don’t, tanq, yes, his opinion matters more to me than yours, in this case. That’s just the truth, my friend. It’s nothing personal.

Tanq. LOL

(10-30-2026 05:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 03:47 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 01:33 PM)Curumim Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 12:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 11:43 AM)Curumim Wrote:  I mean, Trump's broader strategy in Latin America is interesting and could benefit the US in the long run. A more stable region free from authoritarian communist regimes could help address several issues:

- Fewer people would feel compelled to flee their countries, helping reduce illegal immigration;

- Greater regional cooperation could help disrupt drug trafficking networks and address the opioid crisis;

- A more stable and economically developed region could foster a new consumer base for american products.

What bothers me the most, though, is everything surrounding the Brazilian election and the integrity of the process. You don't see a defeated presidential candidate in exile to the US for no reason.

I'll give you some facts: In an unprecedented decision, a Supreme Court justice extended voting by two hours even though the polling stations had already shut down. Then, just seven minutes after the final results were announced, another Supreme Court justice reportedly ordered the seizure of the defeated candidate's passports.

And by the way, did you guys know that Brazil uses a fully electronic voting system, without a voter-verifiable paper trail?

The whole situation is just exhausting.

You might see that same candidate fleeing the country when facing severe money laundering charges. As is the case.

You know, just like Amy Actons father fleeing Ohio rather than face child rape charges on his daughter.

But the first impulse seems to be to *automatically* shovel the case of he lost, he fled. And funnily the fact of 5he pre-existing charges is simply not bothered with to the sole exclusion of solely blaming the act as the narrative of a dude who lost fleeing *solely* because of persecution.

He hasn't been convicted of any crime. While there are ongoing investigations involving him, being under investigation doesn't make someone a convicted criminal. There's a difference between allegations and proven guilt.

(10-30-2026 12:43 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Could be BS, but sources are claiming only a small percentage of Lula's win margin cast votes after the polls closed.

Quote:Only about 34,330 votes were registered on Brazil’s electronic voting machines after the original 17:00 closing time on Sunday 25 October 2026, according to the machine logs and TSE records. That is about 0.03% of the ballots and about 0.8% of Lula’s margin of 4,430,191 votes over Flávio Bolsonaro in the official results of the Superior Electoral Court (TSE).

Donald Trump told reporters in Iowa that the vote “looked like another rigged election, frankly” and that “With the extension given, it was very strange”, and no evidence was cited for either remark. Flávio Bolsonaro made the same extension the ground for his annulment call on election night, so the count shows how small it was in votes.

https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-vo...330-votes/

And we're supposed to take the word of an authoritarian court known for being not only biased but also politically persecutory. The regime uses lawfare against anyone who opposes it, and we have less and less room for protest here. Don't just take my word for it. Look at CNN's reporting.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HV4U7PdWAAAwl0b.jpg
https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/le...la-ladrao/

Glenn Greenwald has been vocal in his criticism of these issues. The presidential candidate isn't the only one leaving the country:

Frankly, it's beyond me why you guys would try to defend a regime that aligns itself with the likes of Maduro.

We're not talking about America here. Bolivarianism is much closer to home...

This. Thanks for posting this, man. Again, I pray no harm comes to you.

To everyone else: With all due respect to tanq and the rest, I’ll take this guy’s word for it, especially regarding this whole situation. Y’all should, too.

Im sure Curmin believes all he says as well.

The difference between you and I it appears is that are more than willing to believe one person from amongst literally tens of millions and who is also a very staunch supporter of one viewpoint, and that is far from sufficient to me.

I have merely noted that from amongst friends and past colleagues who now reside in Brazil —- one side highly hypes the injustice of ‘he lost, and felt the need to flee’, and also at the same time fails to denote the actual long and deep legal issues around flavio.

• The Father's Biopic Investigation (Opened July 2026): Supreme Court Justice André Mendonça opened a probe into the illicit financing of Dark Horse, an unreleased film biography of Jair Bolsonaro. Leaked audio from May 2026 revealed Flávio negotiating roughly $24 million to fund the film with Daniel Vorcaro, a jailed banker tied to a massive fraud ring involving Banco Master. Federal police are investigating whether this involved corruption and money laundering.
• The Online Betting & Crypto Scheme (Opened October 2026): Led by Justice Alexandre de Moraes, federal police discovered that Flávio was listed as a "master user" with full management access to bank accounts owned by his close friend, lawyer Willer Tomaz. The account allegedly moved over R$130 million ($25 million USD) in a complex money-laundering web involving digital payment platforms and online gambling sectors. This was the probe that triggered his travel ban and passport seizure.
• Illegal Foreign Campaign Funding (Opened October 2026): Immediately following the election, the Supreme Court opened a separate inquiry into whether Flávio's presidential campaign received illegal financial backing from abroad. Investigators are looking specifically into alleged financial ties to U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance's donor network, which is explicitly banned under the Brazilian Constitution.
• Criminal Defamation: He is also facing a lesser Supreme Court inquiry into alleged criminal defamation against President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva during the heated 2026 campaign cycle.

These could only proceed after the election due to the Brazilian legal structure that give parliamentary immunity to senators like Flavio.

Seems there was a lot to bolster the Brazilian SC to revoke his passport.

And GC, you are entitled to give any number of people your trust to believe them solely. Your right, your prerogative. On the other hand, there is a LOT more in the water than most Flavio supporters give any credit, or even indication of. As for that, I don’t have an opinion that Flavio is the king of Brazilian victimhood, or some two bit criminal with deep ties to previous administrations and deserved justice.

He ran. That’s all we really know.

Daniel Vorcaro has been linked to the financing of projects involving political and public figures across Brazil, he was clearly seeking to buy influence and protect his interests. His connections span the entire political spectrum from Flavio to Lula. As for the financing of the Dark Horse movie, private investment in a film is not inherently illegal. I have little doubt that Vorcaro was trying to gain political influence.

And do you know what else raises questions about his political connections? He attended a meeting with Lula in December 2024 that was not included in the president's official schedule. Gabriel Galipolo, who was about to become president of Brazil's Central Bank, was also present among others. Do your friends ever tell you about that? But don't worry. You and your friends seem convinced that there is nothing worth questioning there, despite the serious concerns surrounding the Supreme Court's impartiality.
https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/lu...o-de-2024/

Want to know something else? Do you know whose law firm had a multimillion-dollar contract with Daniel Vorcaro's bank? Viviane Barci de Moraes, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes, the very man you portray as a champion of justice. Her law firm's contract with Banco Master was worth approximately R$ 131 million before taxes, more than US$ 20 million.
https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/co...8-milhoes/

And Moraes is not the only Supreme Court justice whose connections to Banco Master have raised questions.

Vorcaro has reportedly explored the possibility of a plea bargain. However, one might think that people connected to Lula or the Supreme Court are actively preventing him from cooperating with investigators.

And since investigations and accountability seem to matter so much to you and your friends, what do you think about Lula's imprisonment, his subsequent release following a Supreme Court ruling and the later annulment of his convictions? How about that? You may agree with those decisions, but surely you can understand why their consequences remain politically controversial. I don't believe he should have been allowed to run for president again.

And please, don't pretend we're claiming Flavio is some kind of saint. If he has committed any wrongdoing, let it be properly investigated and judged. The same standard should apply to everyone regardless of their political affiliations. The problem is that it's impossible to have confidence in the impartiality and integrity of Brazil's Supreme Court. You can no longer trust that everyone receives equal treatment under the law.

And I believe what I say because this is the reality I have grown up with and continue to experience. These aren't opinions I've simply picked up from friends. They come from living in a country where I have watched my hopes for the future gradually fade. I sincerely hope you never have to experience the feeling of watching your future become bleaker with each passing year, seeing thugs and thieves escape accountability, and then being told that you're the morally corrupt one for questioning it.

(10-30-2026 05:51 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Well, considering he lives in Brazil and you don’t, tanq, yes, his opinion matters more to me than yours, in this case. That’s just the truth, my friend. It’s nothing personal.

I actually don’t have an opinion on it. Perhaps read my actual explicit words.

I am glad you are prone to believing one single person, and notwithstanding, one with a very palpable bias.

I guess none of the issues imbued with your past as a news person has survived. Of course, everyone has the right to believe one single solitary source with a very explicit bias — kind of part and parcel of a free society. And you exercise that freedom of choice overwhelmingly and explicitly in the above.

And funny that you very often rip on people for holding what denote as a sparse opinion when based on much more than a single, solitary, isolated (and clearly biased) opinion. I find that dichotomy awfully incongruent.

As for my opinion, I seemingly remember a saying about single isolated stories dont constitute anything more than a single isolated story.

(10-30-2026 06:15 PM)Curumim Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 05:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 03:47 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 01:33 PM)Curumim Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 12:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  You might see that same candidate fleeing the country when facing severe money laundering charges. As is the case.

You know, just like Amy Actons father fleeing Ohio rather than face child rape charges on his daughter.

But the first impulse seems to be to *automatically* shovel the case of he lost, he fled. And funnily the fact of 5he pre-existing charges is simply not bothered with to the sole exclusion of solely blaming the act as the narrative of a dude who lost fleeing *solely* because of persecution.

He hasn't been convicted of any crime. While there are ongoing investigations involving him, being under investigation doesn't make someone a convicted criminal. There's a difference between allegations and proven guilt.

(10-30-2026 12:43 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Could be BS, but sources are claiming only a small percentage of Lula's win margin cast votes after the polls closed.


https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-vo...330-votes/

And we're supposed to take the word of an authoritarian court known for being not only biased but also politically persecutory. The regime uses lawfare against anyone who opposes it, and we have less and less room for protest here. Don't just take my word for it. Look at CNN's reporting.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HV4U7PdWAAAwl0b.jpg
https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/le...la-ladrao/

Glenn Greenwald has been vocal in his criticism of these issues. The presidential candidate isn't the only one leaving the country:

Frankly, it's beyond me why you guys would try to defend a regime that aligns itself with the likes of Maduro.

We're not talking about America here. Bolivarianism is much closer to home...

This. Thanks for posting this, man. Again, I pray no harm comes to you.

To everyone else: With all due respect to tanq and the rest, I’ll take this guy’s word for it, especially regarding this whole situation. Y’all should, too.

Im sure Curmin believes all he says as well.

The difference between you and I it appears is that are more than willing to believe one person from amongst literally tens of millions and who is also a very staunch supporter of one viewpoint, and that is far from sufficient to me.

I have merely noted that from amongst friends and past colleagues who now reside in Brazil —- one side highly hypes the injustice of ‘he lost, and felt the need to flee’, and also at the same time fails to denote the actual long and deep legal issues around flavio.

• The Father's Biopic Investigation (Opened July 2026): Supreme Court Justice André Mendonça opened a probe into the illicit financing of Dark Horse, an unreleased film biography of Jair Bolsonaro. Leaked audio from May 2026 revealed Flávio negotiating roughly $24 million to fund the film with Daniel Vorcaro, a jailed banker tied to a massive fraud ring involving Banco Master. Federal police are investigating whether this involved corruption and money laundering.
• The Online Betting & Crypto Scheme (Opened October 2026): Led by Justice Alexandre de Moraes, federal police discovered that Flávio was listed as a "master user" with full management access to bank accounts owned by his close friend, lawyer Willer Tomaz. The account allegedly moved over R$130 million ($25 million USD) in a complex money-laundering web involving digital payment platforms and online gambling sectors. This was the probe that triggered his travel ban and passport seizure.
• Illegal Foreign Campaign Funding (Opened October 2026): Immediately following the election, the Supreme Court opened a separate inquiry into whether Flávio's presidential campaign received illegal financial backing from abroad. Investigators are looking specifically into alleged financial ties to U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance's donor network, which is explicitly banned under the Brazilian Constitution.
• Criminal Defamation: He is also facing a lesser Supreme Court inquiry into alleged criminal defamation against President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva during the heated 2026 campaign cycle.

These could only proceed after the election due to the Brazilian legal structure that give parliamentary immunity to senators like Flavio.

Seems there was a lot to bolster the Brazilian SC to revoke his passport.

And GC, you are entitled to give any number of people your trust to believe them solely. Your right, your prerogative. On the other hand, there is a LOT more in the water than most Flavio supporters give any credit, or even indication of. As for that, I don’t have an opinion that Flavio is the king of Brazilian victimhood, or some two bit criminal with deep ties to previous administrations and deserved justice.

He ran. That’s all we really know.

Daniel Vorcaro has been linked to the financing of projects involving political and public figures across Brazil, he was clearly seeking to buy influence and protect his interests. His connections span the entire political spectrum from Flavio to Lula. As for the financing of the Dark Horse movie, private investment in a film is not inherently illegal. I have little doubt that Vorcaro was trying to gain political influence.

And do you know what else raises questions about his political connections? He attended a meeting with Lula in December 2024 that was not included in the president's official schedule. Gabriel Galipolo, who was about to become president of Brazil's Central Bank, was also present among others. Do your friends ever tell you about that? But don't worry. You and your friends seem convinced that there is nothing worth questioning there, despite the serious concerns surrounding the Supreme Court's impartiality.
https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/lu...o-de-2024/

Want to know something else? Do you know whose law firm had a multimillion-dollar contract with Daniel Vorcaro's bank? Viviane Barci de Moraes, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes, the very man you portray as a champion of justice. Her law firm's contract with Banco Master was worth approximately R$ 131 million before taxes, more than US$ 20 million.
https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/co...8-milhoes/

And Moraes is not the only Supreme Court justice whose connections to Banco Master have raised questions.

Vorcaro has reportedly explored the possibility of a plea bargain. However, one might think that people connected to Lula or the Supreme Court are actively preventing him from cooperating with investigators.

And since investigations and accountability seem to matter so much to you and your friends, what do you think about Lula's imprisonment, his subsequent release following a Supreme Court ruling and the later annulment of his convictions? How about that? You may agree with those decisions, but surely you can understand why their consequences remain politically controversial. I don't believe he should have been allowed to run for president again.

And please, don't pretend we're claiming Flavio is some kind of saint. If he has committed any wrongdoing, let it be properly investigated and judged. The same standard should apply to everyone regardless of their political affiliations. The problem is that it's impossible to have confidence in the impartiality and integrity of Brazil's Supreme Court. You can no longer trust that everyone receives equal treatment under the law.

And I believe what I say because this is the reality I have grown up with and continue to experience. These aren't opinions I've simply picked up from friends. They come from living in a country where I have watched my hopes for the future gradually fade. I sincerely hope you never have to experience the feeling of watching your future become bleaker with each passing year, seeing thugs and thieves escape accountability, and then being told that you're the morally corrupt one for questioning it.

I’ve heard things similar to what you say above from some, and others than run counter to yours.

No doubt you are entitled to your opinion.

From this perspective that is what it amounts to — your opinion. Counter to that of others I have heard that simply paint Flavio as some two bit entitled criminal who deservedly should be investigated.

Not trying to diminish your single opinion, but with all respect, any single opinion from someone really doesn’t tend to sway me towards one side or another.

I hope all turns out well for Brazil, in any direction the issue rolls to.

(10-30-2026 06:15 PM)Curumim Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 05:08 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 03:47 PM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 01:33 PM)Curumim Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 12:34 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  You might see that same candidate fleeing the country when facing severe money laundering charges. As is the case.

You know, just like Amy Actons father fleeing Ohio rather than face child rape charges on his daughter.

But the first impulse seems to be to *automatically* shovel the case of he lost, he fled. And funnily the fact of 5he pre-existing charges is simply not bothered with to the sole exclusion of solely blaming the act as the narrative of a dude who lost fleeing *solely* because of persecution.

He hasn't been convicted of any crime. While there are ongoing investigations involving him, being under investigation doesn't make someone a convicted criminal. There's a difference between allegations and proven guilt.

(10-30-2026 12:43 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  Could be BS, but sources are claiming only a small percentage of Lula's win margin cast votes after the polls closed.


https://www.riotimesonline.com/brazil-vo...330-votes/

And we're supposed to take the word of an authoritarian court known for being not only biased but also politically persecutory. The regime uses lawfare against anyone who opposes it, and we have less and less room for protest here. Don't just take my word for it. Look at CNN's reporting.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HV4U7PdWAAAwl0b.jpg
https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/le...la-ladrao/

Glenn Greenwald has been vocal in his criticism of these issues. The presidential candidate isn't the only one leaving the country:

Frankly, it's beyond me why you guys would try to defend a regime that aligns itself with the likes of Maduro.

We're not talking about America here. Bolivarianism is much closer to home...

This. Thanks for posting this, man. Again, I pray no harm comes to you.

To everyone else: With all due respect to tanq and the rest, I’ll take this guy’s word for it, especially regarding this whole situation. Y’all should, too.

Im sure Curmin believes all he says as well.

The difference between you and I it appears is that are more than willing to believe one person from amongst literally tens of millions and who is also a very staunch supporter of one viewpoint, and that is far from sufficient to me.

I have merely noted that from amongst friends and past colleagues who now reside in Brazil —- one side highly hypes the injustice of ‘he lost, and felt the need to flee’, and also at the same time fails to denote the actual long and deep legal issues around flavio.

• The Father's Biopic Investigation (Opened July 2026): Supreme Court Justice André Mendonça opened a probe into the illicit financing of Dark Horse, an unreleased film biography of Jair Bolsonaro. Leaked audio from May 2026 revealed Flávio negotiating roughly $24 million to fund the film with Daniel Vorcaro, a jailed banker tied to a massive fraud ring involving Banco Master. Federal police are investigating whether this involved corruption and money laundering.
• The Online Betting & Crypto Scheme (Opened October 2026): Led by Justice Alexandre de Moraes, federal police discovered that Flávio was listed as a "master user" with full management access to bank accounts owned by his close friend, lawyer Willer Tomaz. The account allegedly moved over R$130 million ($25 million USD) in a complex money-laundering web involving digital payment platforms and online gambling sectors. This was the probe that triggered his travel ban and passport seizure.
• Illegal Foreign Campaign Funding (Opened October 2026): Immediately following the election, the Supreme Court opened a separate inquiry into whether Flávio's presidential campaign received illegal financial backing from abroad. Investigators are looking specifically into alleged financial ties to U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance's donor network, which is explicitly banned under the Brazilian Constitution.
• Criminal Defamation: He is also facing a lesser Supreme Court inquiry into alleged criminal defamation against President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva during the heated 2026 campaign cycle.

These could only proceed after the election due to the Brazilian legal structure that give parliamentary immunity to senators like Flavio.

Seems there was a lot to bolster the Brazilian SC to revoke his passport.

And GC, you are entitled to give any number of people your trust to believe them solely. Your right, your prerogative. On the other hand, there is a LOT more in the water than most Flavio supporters give any credit, or even indication of. As for that, I don’t have an opinion that Flavio is the king of Brazilian victimhood, or some two bit criminal with deep ties to previous administrations and deserved justice.

He ran. That’s all we really know.

Daniel Vorcaro has been linked to the financing of projects involving political and public figures across Brazil, he was clearly seeking to buy influence and protect his interests. His connections span the entire political spectrum from Flavio to Lula. As for the financing of the Dark Horse movie, private investment in a film is not inherently illegal. I have little doubt that Vorcaro was trying to gain political influence.

And do you know what else raises questions about his political connections? He attended a meeting with Lula in December 2024 that was not included in the president's official schedule. Gabriel Galipolo, who was about to become president of Brazil's Central Bank, was also present among others. Do your friends ever tell you about that? But don't worry. You and your friends seem convinced that there is nothing worth questioning there, despite the serious concerns surrounding the Supreme Court's impartiality.
https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/lu...o-de-2024/

Want to know something else? Do you know whose law firm had a multimillion-dollar contract with Daniel Vorcaro's bank? Viviane Barci de Moraes, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes, the very man you portray as a champion of justice. Her law firm's contract with Banco Master was worth approximately R$ 131 million before taxes, more than US$ 20 million.
https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/co...8-milhoes/

And Moraes is not the only Supreme Court justice whose connections to Banco Master have raised questions.

Vorcaro has reportedly explored the possibility of a plea bargain. However, one might think that people connected to Lula or the Supreme Court are actively preventing him from cooperating with investigators.

And since investigations and accountability seem to matter so much to you and your friends, what do you think about Lula's imprisonment, his subsequent release following a Supreme Court ruling and the later annulment of his convictions? How about that? You may agree with those decisions, but surely you can understand why their consequences remain politically controversial. I don't believe he should have been allowed to run for president again.

And please, don't pretend we're claiming Flavio is some kind of saint. If he has committed any wrongdoing, let it be properly investigated and judged. The same standard should apply to everyone regardless of their political affiliations. The problem is that it's impossible to have confidence in the impartiality and integrity of Brazil's Supreme Court. You can no longer trust that everyone receives equal treatment under the law.

And I believe what I say because this is the reality I have grown up with and continue to experience. These aren't opinions I've simply picked up from friends. They come from living in a country where I have watched my hopes for the future gradually fade. I sincerely hope you never have to experience the feeling of watching your future become bleaker with each passing year, seeing thugs and thieves escape accountability, and then being told that you're the morally corrupt one for questioning it.

Thanks for the input from someone that lives there.

(10-30-2026 04:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 04:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Whats incredible about Lula's vote tally is that he picked up 100% of the additional 5million votes cast in this election than he did round one.

100%

All of them

Sounds just like the Paxton / Cornyn vote flip from primary to runoff.

Is that now suspect based on your logic above?

only to a moron it would.

Ken Paxton got the same number of votes both times.

Cornyn's votes dropped from 900K to 500K after he refused to pass the save america act. Trump also stayed out of endorsing any candidate until the very end at the runoff as Paxton flat out refused to pass the save america act. He kept talking about how lock-step he was with Trump, but he was a quasi rino.

In this senate race, the total number of votes went down, as is usual for runoff elections.


Brazil was different. 5 million extra votes were cast in the runoff than the first election, with 100% of those going to Lula.

(10-30-2026 07:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 04:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 04:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Whats incredible about Lula's vote tally is that he picked up 100% of the additional 5million votes cast in this election than he did round one.

100%

All of them

Sounds just like the Paxton / Cornyn vote flip from primary to runoff.

Is that now suspect based on your logic above?

only to a moron it would.

Ken Paxton got the same number of votes both times.

Cornyn's votes dropped from 900K to 500K after he refused to pass the save america act. Trump also stayed out of endorsing any candidate until the very end at the runoff as Paxton flat out refused to pass the save america act. He kept talking about how lock-step he was with Trump, but he was a quasi rino.

In this senate race, the total number of votes went down, as is usual for runoff elections.


Brazil was different. 5 million extra votes were cast in the runoff than the first election, with 100% of those going to Lula.

And as you point out above, people stay home, people flip. Some people who don’t vote in a pr8mary come out and vote in a runoff.

I guess that never happen# in Brazil, according to your logic.

Cool cool.

(10-30-2026 08:21 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I don’t associate with these idiots in real life why would I want to here? This is even less real than real life. I despise them, they will never be invited for Sunday dinner.

I may have a different attitude b/c my sister and her daughter are hard lefties. To the point that we cannot discuss politics at all. They get WAY too emotional and actually get mad at me.

So, we put down our politics, b/c love SHOULD be able to conquer all. And it does with us. And yes, I invite them to Sunday dinner, lol.

Now, if you're talking friends rather than close relatives, then yeah, I may be a bit more picky. I don't want some lefty constantly lecturing me about how I'm wrong about everything.

To be perfectly honest, I don't give a diddly damn about anybody else's political views. I have my own, and you can have yours. Just don't use yours to pick fights, and we're fine.

"I may have a different attitude b/c my sister and her daughter are hard lefties. To the point that we cannot discuss politics at all. They get WAY too emotional and actually get mad at me." Triple

Wow, I didn't know that your sister is my SIL. We do the same thing, politics is out in my house with her, the daughter isn't into politics...but probably votes for satan's party. She's a kind person until you discuss politics than satan comes out. I think she needs an exorcist.

(11-01-2026 10:31 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  "I may have a different attitude b/c my sister and her daughter are hard lefties. To the point that we cannot discuss politics at all. They get WAY too emotional and actually get mad at me." Triple

Wow, I didn't know that your sister is my SIL. We do the same thing, politics is out in my house with her, the daughter isn't into politics...but probably votes for satan's party. She's a kind person until you discuss politics than satan comes out. I think she needs an exorcist.

Your politics is the only thing that elicits demonic possession. Interesting.

(11-01-2026 11:12 AM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(11-01-2026 10:31 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  "I may have a different attitude b/c my sister and her daughter are hard lefties. To the point that we cannot discuss politics at all. They get WAY too emotional and actually get mad at me." Triple

Wow, I didn't know that your sister is my SIL. We do the same thing, politics is out in my house with her, the daughter isn't into politics...but probably votes for satan's party. She's a kind person until you discuss politics than satan comes out. I think she needs an exorcist.

Your politics is the only thing that elicits demonic possession. Interesting.

Well, you could interpret that two ways, depending on your favored POV.

(10-30-2026 09:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 07:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 04:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 04:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Whats incredible about Lula's vote tally is that he picked up 100% of the additional 5million votes cast in this election than he did round one.

100%

All of them

Sounds just like the Paxton / Cornyn vote flip from primary to runoff.

Is that now suspect based on your logic above?

only to a moron it would.

Ken Paxton got the same number of votes both times.

Cornyn's votes dropped from 900K to 500K after he refused to pass the save america act. Trump also stayed out of endorsing any candidate until the very end at the runoff as Paxton flat out refused to pass the save america act. He kept talking about how lock-step he was with Trump, but he was a quasi rino.

In this senate race, the total number of votes went down, as is usual for runoff elections.


Brazil was different. 5 million extra votes were cast in the runoff than the first election, with 100% of those going to Lula.

And as you point out above, people stay home, people flip. Some people who don’t vote in a pr8mary come out and vote in a runoff.

I guess that never happen# in Brazil, according to your logic.

Cool cool.

Well, allow me to shove this bit of info up your ass.

In Brazil, people are required by law to vote if they are between the age of 18 and 70. So having over 5million extra votes in the 2nd election versus the first is amazingly weird.

Even more weird is that all of those votes went to Lula.

(11-01-2026 11:23 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 09:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 07:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 04:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 04:21 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Whats incredible about Lula's vote tally is that he picked up 100% of the additional 5million votes cast in this election than he did round one.

100%

All of them

Sounds just like the Paxton / Cornyn vote flip from primary to runoff.

Is that now suspect based on your logic above?

only to a moron it would.

Ken Paxton got the same number of votes both times.

Cornyn's votes dropped from 900K to 500K after he refused to pass the save america act. Trump also stayed out of endorsing any candidate until the very end at the runoff as Paxton flat out refused to pass the save america act. He kept talking about how lock-step he was with Trump, but he was a quasi rino.

In this senate race, the total number of votes went down, as is usual for runoff elections.


Brazil was different. 5 million extra votes were cast in the runoff than the first election, with 100% of those going to Lula.

And as you point out above, people stay home, people flip. Some people who don’t vote in a pr8mary come out and vote in a runoff.

I guess that never happen# in Brazil, according to your logic.

Cool cool.

Well, allow me to shove this bit of info up your ass.

In Brazil, people are required by law to vote if they are between the age of 18 and 70. So having over 5million extra votes in the 2nd election versus the first is amazingly weird.

Even more weird is that all of those votes went to Lula.

You forgo5 to add the best rhetorical flourish available to your constan5 conspiratorial allegations, so Ill provide it for you ——

Lightning crash, a distant scream, and spooky organ music. That should make your comments complete…..

(11-02-2026 11:16 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(11-01-2026 11:23 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 09:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 07:55 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(10-30-2026 04:49 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Sounds just like the Paxton / Cornyn vote flip from primary to runoff.

Is that now suspect based on your logic above?

only to a moron it would.

Ken Paxton got the same number of votes both times.

Cornyn's votes dropped from 900K to 500K after he refused to pass the save america act. Trump also stayed out of endorsing any candidate until the very end at the runoff as Paxton flat out refused to pass the save america act. He kept talking about how lock-step he was with Trump, but he was a quasi rino.

In this senate race, the total number of votes went down, as is usual for runoff elections.


Brazil was different. 5 million extra votes were cast in the runoff than the first election, with 100% of those going to Lula.

And as you point out above, people stay home, people flip. Some people who don’t vote in a pr8mary come out and vote in a runoff.

I guess that never happen# in Brazil, according to your logic.

Cool cool.

Well, allow me to shove this bit of info up your ass.

In Brazil, people are required by law to vote if they are between the age of 18 and 70. So having over 5million extra votes in the 2nd election versus the first is amazingly weird.

Even more weird is that all of those votes went to Lula.

You forgo5 to add the best rhetorical flourish available to your constan5 conspiratorial allegations, so Ill provide it for you ——

Lightning crash, a distant scream, and spooky organ music. That should make your comments complete…..

sounds like I shoved it too far up your ass.