UConn or St. John’s?

I’m thinking that maybe both get a 3.

(03-15-2026 10:00 AM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  UConn or St. John’s?

I’m thinking that maybe both get a 3.

I thought the record over the last 10 games was not a thing anymore. If it is, I'd say you would be right Bill.

I'm going UConn 2, SJU 3 (and VU 9)

It isn’t, and I get that, TBC. But when we look at total body of work, St. John’s won the Big East regular season and tournament. I don’t see how you seed the league’s #2 team ahead of the conference champion - especially when St. John’s beat UConn 2 out of 3 head-to-head.

NET this morning is #10 for UConn and #15 for SJU. Big difference in resumes is that Uconn has 5 quality NC wins and a narrow loss to Arizona. SJU has no quality wins in NC play and 4 losses. I’ll go with a 2 seed for UConn and a 4 seed for SJU.

(03-15-2026 11:13 AM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  It isn’t, and I get that, TBC. But when we look at total body of work, St. John’s won the Big East regular season and tournament. I don’t see how you seed the league’s #2 team ahead of the conference champion - especially when St. John’s beat UConn 2 out of 3 head-to-head.

because the season is more than just conference play. It's all 34 games. St John's didn't do anything OOC and UConn did. UConn #4 in OOC WAB. St John's was #59. That matters.

(03-15-2026 11:52 AM)Nukem2 Wrote:  NET this morning is #10 for UConn and #15 for SJU. Big difference in resumes is that Uconn has 5 quality NC wins and a narrow loss to Arizona. SJU has no quality wins in NC play and 4 losses. I’ll go with a 2 seed for UConn and a 4 seed for SJU.

It’s closer than that. UConn has 7 Quad 1 wins to St. John’s 5 but they have a Quad 2 loss while St. John’s is undefeated vs Quad 2. And if we’re going to give UConn credit for a 4 point loss to Arizona, wouldn’t we give St. John’s credit for an even closer 1-point loss to Iowa State?

But we’re trying to balance out performances against different teams. What I’m looking at is the 23 games each team played against an identical schedule. In those matchups, St. John’s had the better record and won the conference tournament head-to-head on a neutral court. That’s got to mean something. When UConn is #10 on the NET and St. John’s is #15, it’s close enough that I personally would give the nod to St. John’s.

(03-15-2026 12:32 PM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  

(03-15-2026 11:52 AM)Nukem2 Wrote:  NET this morning is #10 for UConn and #15 for SJU. Big difference in resumes is that Uconn has 5 quality NC wins and a narrow loss to Arizona. SJU has no quality wins in NC play and 4 losses. I’ll go with a 2 seed for UConn and a 4 seed for SJU.

It’s closer than that. UConn has 7 Quad 1 wins to St. John’s 5 but they have a Quad 2 loss while St. John’s is undefeated vs Quad 2. And if we’re going to give UConn credit for a 4 point loss to Arizona, wouldn’t we give St. John’s credit for an even closer 1-point loss to Iowa State?

But we’re trying to balance out performances against different teams. What I’m looking at is the 23 games each team played against an identical schedule. In those matchups, St. John’s had the better record and won the conference tournament head-to-head on a neutral court. That’s got to mean something. When UConn is #10 on the NET and St. John’s is #15, it’s close enough that I personally would give the nod to St. John’s.

what is the Providence loss considered?

(03-15-2026 12:32 PM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  

(03-15-2026 11:52 AM)Nukem2 Wrote:  NET this morning is #10 for UConn and #15 for SJU. Big difference in resumes is that Uconn has 5 quality NC wins and a narrow loss to Arizona. SJU has no quality wins in NC play and 4 losses. I’ll go with a 2 seed for UConn and a 4 seed for SJU.

It’s closer than that. UConn has 7 Quad 1 wins to St. John’s 5 but they have a Quad 2 loss while St. John’s is undefeated vs Quad 2. And if we’re going to give UConn credit for a 4 point loss to Arizona, wouldn’t we give St. John’s credit for an even closer 1-point loss to Iowa State?

But we’re trying to balance out performances against different teams. What I’m looking at is the 23 games each team played against an identical schedule. In those matchups, St. John’s had the better record and won the conference tournament head-to-head on a neutral court. That’s got to mean something. When UConn is #10 on the NET and St. John’s is #15, it’s close enough that I personally would give the nod to St. John’s.

Think those quality NC wins will help UConn and the lack of those will limit SJU.

(03-15-2026 10:00 AM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  UConn or St. John’s?

I’m thinking that maybe both get a 3.

No chance we drop to a 3. We were in contention for a 1 before last night. One game doesn't drop us a full seed line+.

SJU deserves a 3 but I think they get a 4.

(03-15-2026 12:32 PM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  

(03-15-2026 11:52 AM)Nukem2 Wrote:  NET this morning is #10 for UConn and #15 for SJU. Big difference in resumes is that Uconn has 5 quality NC wins and a narrow loss to Arizona. SJU has no quality wins in NC play and 4 losses. I’ll go with a 2 seed for UConn and a 4 seed for SJU.

It’s closer than that. UConn has 7 Quad 1 wins to St. John’s 5 but they have a Quad 2 loss while St. John’s is undefeated vs Quad 2. And if we’re going to give UConn credit for a 4 point loss to Arizona, wouldn’t we give St. John’s credit for an even closer 1-point loss to Iowa State?

But we’re trying to balance out performances against different teams. What I’m looking at is the 23 games each team played against an identical schedule. In those matchups, St. John’s had the better record and won the conference tournament head-to-head on a neutral court. That’s got to mean something. When UConn is #10 on the NET and St. John’s is #15, it’s close enough that I personally would give the nod to St. John’s.

7-3 vs Q1 is a 20% better win percentage than 5-5 is. Even with the losing record to St Johns, UConn still has a positive point differential vs them for the season.

The only reason the narrow loss to Arizona may matter (I personally don't think it does) is UConn was down 2 starters for the game and still only lost by 4. Arizona was also much less vulnerable than ISU was this year. But again, it doesn't really matter in my eyes. UConn's overall body of work is better regardless

(03-15-2026 10:48 AM)TBC Alum Wrote:  

(03-15-2026 10:00 AM)Bill Marsh Wrote:  UConn or St. John’s?

I’m thinking that maybe both get a 3.

I thought the record over the last 10 games was not a thing anymore. If it is, I'd say you would be right Bill.

I'm going UConn 2, SJU 3 (and VU 9)

I think Nova ends up on the 8/9 line as well. The committee will take how much worse they were without Hodge into account, as they have done for other teams in the past.

we got our answer in a real hurry.

St Johns got a 5 seed and a likely matchup with Kansas in Round 2. If they win that, likely Duke in round 3. Talk about getting screwed.

Probably the best UConn could have hoped for in terms of seeding, matchups and location

(03-15-2026 05:13 PM)Nameless Wrote:  St Johns got a 5 seed and a likely matchup with Kansas in Round 2. If they win that, likely Duke in round 3. Talk about getting screwed.

Probably the best UConn could have hoped for in terms of seeding, matchups and location

OOC play matters- what killed St John's and helped UConn.

(03-15-2026 05:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-15-2026 05:13 PM)Nameless Wrote:  St Johns got a 5 seed and a likely matchup with Kansas in Round 2. If they win that, likely Duke in round 3. Talk about getting screwed.

Probably the best UConn could have hoped for in terms of seeding, matchups and location

OOC play matters- what killed St John's and helped UConn.

Agreed

Marquette made the first fifty out, yes? If only we beat Maryland.

(03-15-2026 06:22 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Marquette made the first fifty out, yes? If only we beat Maryland.

There's a lot to look forward to with Nigel James returning next year. Great piece to build around. I'm assuming Parham will be back too

I'm very surprised Saint John's was seeded No. 5. That almost seems insulting. My Vanderbilt team also landed a No. 5 seed and SJU is a better team than Vandy. I would have placed the Red Storm as a No. 3 seed (a four seed at the minimum).

(And GW11 with a nice "First 50 Out" zinger regarding Marquette. Dazzy chuckled.)

I'm hoping for UConn/ St John's round four. Would mean somebody's definitely going to the Final Four. Also hope the Johnnies use the 5 seed snub as a motivating factor. Really thought after winning the BET they would move up to a four seed.

I'm honestly ok with the 5 seed.....SJU really had no OOC marquee wins....sadly, Baylor and Ole Miss looked solid preseason but had bad years, so those OOC wins weren't very notable.....

If we had at least won 1 of the 4 against Iowa State, Kentucky, Alabama or Auburn, I think we would have been a 3 or 4.....

As of today though, I would like my chances against any of them again.....

The part that I'm INFURIATED about is how they put UConn and SJU in the same region......we got a lousy 3 teams into the tournament and you have to put the 2 best in the same region?!?!....

I really thought that if things fell into place, the Big East had a chance to land 2 teams in the Final Four....now we're stuck with hoping for an Elite Eight match up......really feels like the Big East is slowly getting squeezed....