(02-03-2026 05:25 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I was raised a Conservative.

I have voted Republican in every Presidential election except 2008 and 2012. I fell for the hope and change BS of Obama. It didn’t help that the Republican Party ran McCain and Romney.

A year or so into Obama’s first term my son asked me “why you white folks support Obama. Black folks know he’s full of ish”

By the time Obama was done, we had no hope and the change we got we didn’t want. I would never make the mistake of voting Democrat again.

Actually didn’t support Trump early in the 2016 cycle because I thought it was a publicity stunt. Had planned to sit out and miss a presidential election for the first time since ‘80. Then Hillary attacked Trump supporters with her “basket of deplorables” comment. I knew then we couldn’t let that broad anywhere near the Oval Office.

Then whoever ran her Twitter account in October 2016 tweeted the “Happy Birthday to the first female President” and I knew I had made the right choice.

I still believe Trump won the 2020 election. Hopefully we will see the evidence. 2020 radicalized my politics.

While the Republican Party has moved further to the Center than I would want, Democrats have gone full Commie. If LBJ was alive he would declare war on them.

I see no way forward for the country that doesn’t involve a civil conflict. Democrats keep pushing and pushing. “Republicans” are spineless. If Conservatives ever get complete control of the Republican Party and start pushing back, Democrats will be in trouble.

The average American is tired of being pissed on by BOTH parties. If they are forced to choose sides they won’t choose those cutting breasts off little girls and the testicles off little boys.

Watch what’s going on in DC now with the Democrats. They’re showing their hand. Hopefully Conservatives keep preparing for what’s coming.

Well said. The only thing I take exception with is your comment that reps are spineless. Some may well be, but I think most of us are just extremely tolerant. We're going to let a rebellious child push the boundaries a little, and we'll let our political rivals do the same thing. But, we have limits that, when reached, often result in unfavorable consequences for those doing the pushing.

As dramatic as the push from the left has been, we have apparently not quite reached our breaking point.

(02-03-2026 07:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Hey CJ, we followed a similar path, just different parties. My dad was a union officer, and deep into Dem politics. He had me helping with political campaigns starting when I was 5 years old. 1952. Eisenhower vs. Stevenson.

Stevenson got his ass kicked, but my dad was right back at it in '56. Same result. Then in 1960, we finally won one. JFK. Then he was assassinated. I was in the 11th grade. I remember being sad and horrified, and at some point in the next year (I was now 17), I bowed out of helping my dad, b/c my entire childhood, I had nothing but sad political experiences in the end. Ironic, since everything else in my childhood was pretty damn sweet.

But that broke me from being tied to any one political conclusion ahead of time. I couldn't vote yet in '64, so '68 was my first vote. I went to a Nixon rally at my college (do they even do that any more?), stood in line, shook his hand, and talked briefly with him.

As Nixon moved down the line, I turned to my roommate and said, "There is no way in hell I'm voting for that dude." He had shifty eyes, he didn't look me in the eye (he was looking ahead), and his upper lip and palms were sweaty. I also didn't care for Humphrey, even though he was a Dem, b/c as a young southerner. I couldn't relate to some old dude from MN. So I voted third party, and that started a pretty steady path for me.

I strayed off in '76 with Carter, b/c I could relate to him, and at that time, I was registered Indy but still leaned Dem. I changed briefly in '84 with Reagan 2, b/c his first term was impressive, but then I thought Bush 41 was a nothing. Didn't like the Dem, either, so back to 3rd party for that one. Then in '92, I voted for Clinton. Again, a southern boy, and a Dem, whose party I still favored just a bit. '96, back to third party. And stayed there until Trump these last two elections, b/c Obama and Hillary opened my eyes to how crooked and soulless they were.

And although I still dislike Trump, I liked his policies a lot. Plus I probably became a bit more conservative in my old age.

But, given my background, I laugh every time some lefty on here calls me a Trump sycophant, since I dislike the guy, and had only voted for one R in my life until his second run in 2020.

I'm now where you are. Probably stuck on the right from here on out, b/c the Dems are just so damn corrupt, and have moved so far left, I can no longer see them.

Crazy way to end up in the same place…. I doubt we are the only ones.

My Dad was a supervisor, and later become plant manager, for a factory when I was born. He wasn’t for Unions but understood they were needed in certain industries like the Coal Mines in East Kentucky where he grew up.

My parents hated Kennedy. Mostly because he was Catholic. At that time there was a rub between Catholics and Christians that I was too young to understand.

They hated Kennedy but whatever the next level was that was reserved for LBJ. My Dad supported the troops but thought the Vietnam War was a waste of life. Dad despised Ali for refusing to go to Vietnam.

I remember making the mistake of flashing a peace sign at a “hippie” on a motorcycle at red light in the late 60’s or early 70’s. He did what every redneck, white socks and Blue Ribbon beer Dad did at the time. He pulled the car over and spanked my azz right there on the sidewalk. I didn’t do it again.

Being a veteran Dad felt Americans should support the troops but work to end the war. He knew Humphrey would never end the war so my parents supported Nixon in ‘68. The Nixon and McGovern election in ‘72 is the first presidential election I remember. I was 9.

For a long time I considered myself Fiscally Conservative and Socially Liberal. That changed after living in California for a few years.

After living in California under Obama, I saw firsthand what today’s “Democrats” do when they have absolute power. Never again…

(02-03-2026 07:39 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-03-2026 07:37 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  After talking to a family member who is more tuned in than me, I’m now certain that I voted GOP (Dole/Kemp) in 96, but did not vote GOP in 92 or 00.

So that makes my score GOP 5, Third Party 3, Dem 0, and 2 that I’m just not sure.

I have voted Dem. for many state/local offices, however.

I guess being a hyper-partisan has its advantages. I don't have to rely on my failing memory.

When Georgia was safely GOP, I had the luxury of indulging 3rd-Party votes for President. Obviously Georgia is toss-up now, so I don’t do that anymore.

I was very pleased to see Jack Kemp on the ticket in 1996. I thought he was a positive leader for the country and had hopes he would be President someday. I still think he would’ve been a good one, but the truth is he was a bland, ineffective campaigner with Dole in 96. The VP debate that year was in St Pete FL, and Al Gore truly dominated the stage. I can still remember feeling depressed after that, and realizing Clinton was definitely going to be reelected, even though there was still 4 weeks left in the campaign. We did, at least, bring Georgia back into the fold after narrowly (~0.6%) voting for Clinton in 92.

(02-03-2026 07:48 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(02-03-2026 07:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Hey CJ, we followed a similar path, just different parties. My dad was a union officer, and deep into Dem politics. He had me helping with political campaigns starting when I was 5 years old. 1952. Eisenhower vs. Stevenson.

Stevenson got his ass kicked, but my dad was right back at it in '56. Same result. Then in 1960, we finally won one. JFK. Then he was assassinated. I was in the 11th grade. I remember being sad and horrified, and at some point in the next year (I was now 17), I bowed out of helping my dad, b/c my entire childhood, I had nothing but sad political experiences in the end. Ironic, since everything else in my childhood was pretty damn sweet.

But that broke me from being tied to any one political conclusion ahead of time. I couldn't vote yet in '64, so '68 was my first vote. I went to a Nixon rally at my college (do they even do that any more?), stood in line, shook his hand, and talked briefly with him.

As Nixon moved down the line, I turned to my roommate and said, "There is no way in hell I'm voting for that dude." He had shifty eyes, he didn't look me in the eye (he was looking ahead), and his upper lip and palms were sweaty. I also didn't care for Humphrey, even though he was a Dem, b/c as a young southerner. I couldn't relate to some old dude from MN. So I voted third party, and that started a pretty steady path for me.

I strayed off in '76 with Carter, b/c I could relate to him, and at that time, I was registered Indy but still leaned Dem. I changed briefly in '84 with Reagan 2, b/c his first term was impressive, but then I thought Bush 41 was a nothing. Didn't like the Dem, either, so back to 3rd party for that one. Then in '92, I voted for Clinton. Again, a southern boy, and a Dem, whose party I still favored just a bit. '96, back to third party. And stayed there until Trump these last two elections, b/c Obama and Hillary opened my eyes to how crooked and soulless they were.

And although I still dislike Trump, I liked his policies a lot. Plus I probably became a bit more conservative in my old age.

But, given my background, I laugh every time some lefty on here calls me a Trump sycophant, since I dislike the guy, and had only voted for one R in my life until his second run in 2020.

I'm now where you are. Probably stuck on the right from here on out, b/c the Dems are just so damn corrupt, and have moved so far left, I can no longer see them.

Crazy way to end up in the same place…. I doubt we are the only ones.

My Dad was a supervisor, and later become plant manager, for a factory when I was born. He wasn’t for Unions but understood they were needed in certain industries like the Coal Mines in East Kentucky where he grew up.

My parents hated Kennedy. Mostly because he was Catholic. At that time there was a rub between Catholics and Christians that I was too young to understand.

They hated Kennedy but whatever the next level was that was reserved for LBJ. My Dad supported the troops but thought the Vietnam War was a waste of life. Dad despised Ali for refusing to go to Vietnam.

I remember making the mistake of flashing a peace sign at a “hippie” on a motorcycle at red light in the late 60’s or early 70’s. He did what every redneck, white socks and Blue Ribbon beer Dad did at the time. He pulled the car over and spanked my azz right there on the sidewalk. I didn’t do it again.

Being a veteran Dad felt Americans should support the troops but work to end the war. He knew Humphrey would never end the war so my parents supported Nixon in ‘68. The Nixon and McGovern election in ‘72 is the first presidential election I remember. I was 9.

For a long time I considered myself Fiscally Conservative and Socially Liberal. That changed after living in California for a few years.

After living in California under Obama, I saw firsthand what today’s “Democrats” do when they have absolute power. Never again…

My parents were both faithful democrats until Reagan came along and saved us from the Carter years. My old man hated Carter with a passion. Thought he was a sissy and unfit to represent the south. And then there was the gas rationing and the whole Iran hostage thing. I think that as a vet the failed rescue mission embarrassed him and made him ashamed of Carter as POTUS.

I’ve yet to see any consistent libertarian ideology on this board.

You like low taxes, but you consistently support huge deficit spending and limitless executive power at the federal level- not libertarian at all.

If you support a masked armed force grabbing people off the street without due process you are about as far away from a libertarian as an actual communist is.

You guys pretend you’re libertarians because the fantasy allows your cognitive dissonance to take over from what you really support: big government authoritarianism/fascism.

(02-03-2026 07:46 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Well said. The only thing I take exception with is your comment that reps are spineless. Some may well be, but I think most of us are just extremely tolerant. We're going to let a rebellious child push the boundaries a little, and we'll let our political rivals do the same thing. But, we have limits that, when reached, often result in unfavorable consequences for those doing the pushing.

As dramatic as the push from the left has been, we have apparently not quite reached our breaking point.

Should have clarified. The Republicans I believe that are spineless are the establishment Republicans. McConnell, Thune, and Grassley among others. The establishment Republicans are comfortable being the Washington Generals for the Democrats Globetrotters.

I want Conservatives who will fight. I want to see the filibuster nuked, the blue slip process destroyed and Conservative policies pushed through Congress.

If the Democrats EVER get power again we better be ready to fight. Democrat politicians are already calling for ICE supporters to be jailed when Democrats takeover again.

Democrats hate America but they hate Americans more.

CJ, I just realized I'm 16 years older than you. Yikes. In fact, I can only think of two people I know who are older than me now. My SiL's MiL, in her late 80s, and one of my buddies, who is a few months older than I am.

The rest of my good friends are generally from their late 50s to mid-70s.

As for politics, LBJ is the one who started my slow move away from my Dem upbringing. But I loved JFK.

And I agree about Vietnam. I did my time in the Navy then, but luckily missed the hot action. But even without combat duty, I lost 8 shipmates in 4 years to various accidents.

And at some point (can't pull up the dates any more), I, too, felt I was fiscally conservative and socially liberal. But that's no longer a category, IMO. Both parties have been scrambled so much since then, they are unrecognizable.

(02-03-2026 05:25 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I was raised a Conservative.

I have voted Republican in every Presidential election except 2008 and 2012. I fell for the hope and change BS of Obama. It didn’t help that the Republican Party ran McCain and Romney.

A year or so into Obama’s first term my son asked me “why you white folks support Obama. Black folks know he’s full of ish”

By the time Obama was done, we had no hope and the change we got we didn’t want. I would never make the mistake of voting Democrat again.

Actually didn’t support Trump early in the 2016 cycle because I thought it was a publicity stunt. Had planned to sit out and miss a presidential election for the first time since ‘80. Then Hillary attacked Trump supporters with her “basket of deplorables” comment. I knew then we couldn’t let that broad anywhere near the Oval Office.

Then whoever ran her Twitter account in October 2016 tweeted the “Happy Birthday to the first female President” and I knew I had made the right choice.

I still believe Trump won the 2020 election. Hopefully we will see the evidence. 2020 radicalized my politics.

While the Republican Party has moved further to the Center than I would want, Democrats have gone full Commie. If LBJ was alive he would declare war on them.

I see no way forward for the country that doesn’t involve a civil conflict. Democrats keep pushing and pushing. “Republicans” are spineless. If Conservatives ever get complete control of the Republican Party and start pushing back, Democrats will be in trouble.

The average American is tired of being pissed on by BOTH parties. If they are forced to choose sides they won’t choose those cutting breasts off little girls and the testicles off little boys.

Watch what’s going on in DC now with the Democrats. They’re showing their hand. Hopefully Conservatives keep preparing for what’s coming.

So you didn’t support Hilary cuz of “mean tweets”? Got it.


And lol at the Republican Party moving to the center. You’ve got guys openly giving nazi salutes at the largest conservative conference in the world. I truly shudder at what you might consider right wing.

(02-03-2026 08:07 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  So you didn’t support Hilary cuz of “mean tweets”? Got it.


And lol at the Republican Party moving to the center. You’ve got guys openly giving nazi salutes at the largest conservative conference in the world. I truly shudder at what you might consider right wing.

I didn’t support Hillary because she’s a c unt. You still pushing the Nazi salute BS. Learn your history….

The Nazis were National Socialists… Remind me again what party is proudly embracing Socialism. The same Socialism Hitler supported.

I forgot to answer the OP question. We have a handful of lefties, and the rest lean right. I'm not going to try to classify them any more than that, but the OP only asked for liberal vs. conservative.

I would say all of us are conservative by that measure, with the exceptions of:

Tom
Balls
Cajun
Evlis
GitInaHole
X Man (mostly missing now)

But I have no clue how many else on here are the various shades of red. Maybe 30 or 40? I have no clue.

So...maybe 15 to 20% lefty.

I'm an independent. Republicans are spineless, at least tolerable and not insane. Democrats are straight up evil and disgusting. Libertarians are naive and possibly retarded.


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(02-03-2026 07:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  As Nixon moved down the line, I turned to my roommate and said, "There is no way in hell I'm voting for that dude." He had shifty eyes, he didn't look me in the eye (he was looking ahead), and his upper lip and palms were sweaty.

Nixon rubbed many, many people the wrong way. You are far from alone in forming a negative impression of him. It is so strange that he chose politics as a career.

Quote:I also didn't care for Humphrey, even though he was a Dem, b/c as a young southerner, I couldn't relate to some old dude from MN.

Humphrey, McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry — the Democrats had a huge stable of presidential nominees who campaigned as if the South was not a part of America.

(02-03-2026 08:00 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  I’ve yet to see any consistent libertarian ideology on this board.

You like low taxes, but you consistently support huge deficit spending and limitless executive power at the federal level- not libertarian at all.

If you support a masked armed force grabbing people off the street without due process you are about as far away from a libertarian as an actual communist is.

You guys pretend you’re libertarians because the fantasy allows your cognitive dissonance to take over from what you really support: big government authoritarianism/fascism.

WGAF? Are you the hall monitor here? Plus, we know what you are. Straight up Commie.

Actually, over the past 2 decades maybe, as I said, I have tested Libertarian every time, but it's been a long time since I ran a test, and I realized my views have hardened over the past few years.

So last night, I took a new quiz, AFTER I had answered the first time that I tested Libertarian, but disagreed with them on some things:

https://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz

I scored almost the same for 3 parties:

GOP: 94%
Constitution (whatever that is): 94%
American (Elon Musk's party that never started): 90%

Most everything else was single digits.

HOWEVER...I absolutely have voted WAY MORE LIBERTARIAN than any other party for president. That's a fact. And I may do that again, depending on who runs when.

The one thing I won't do any more is even consider a Dem.

Balls, does that make you feel more warm and fuzzy now?

So only one leftist shows up in this discussion and trolling is all it can add. Typical.

(02-03-2026 08:21 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(02-03-2026 07:08 AM)TripleA Wrote:  As Nixon moved down the line, I turned to my roommate and said, "There is no way in hell I'm voting for that dude." He had shifty eyes, he didn't look me in the eye (he was looking ahead), and his upper lip and palms were sweaty.

Nixon rubbed many, many people the wrong way. You are far from alone in forming a negative impression of him. It is so strange that he chose politics as a career.

Quote:I also didn't care for Humphrey, even though he was a Dem, b/c as a young southerner, I couldn't relate to some old dude from MN.

Humphrey, McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry — the Democrats had a huge stable of presidential nominees who campaigned as if the South was not a part of America.

You're right. Probably explains why the only two Dems I ever voted for were Carter and Clinton. Both from the South.

And Nixon, yeah, I was open to hearing him, and he gave me a bad impression in less than two minutes.

(02-03-2026 08:35 AM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  So only one leftist shows up in this discussion and trolling is all it can add. Typical.

I had a similar thought. We have one thread that isn't automatically a natural bar fight, and instead of sharing his story, or even his opinion about the split percentages, he just starts attacking ours.

What else can they do? Facts are not on their side.

(02-03-2026 08:07 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(02-03-2026 05:25 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  I was raised a Conservative.

I have voted Republican in every Presidential election except 2008 and 2012. I fell for the hope and change BS of Obama. It didn’t help that the Republican Party ran McCain and Romney.

A year or so into Obama’s first term my son asked me “why you white folks support Obama. Black folks know he’s full of ish”

By the time Obama was done, we had no hope and the change we got we didn’t want. I would never make the mistake of voting Democrat again.

Actually didn’t support Trump early in the 2016 cycle because I thought it was a publicity stunt. Had planned to sit out and miss a presidential election for the first time since ‘80. Then Hillary attacked Trump supporters with her “basket of deplorables” comment. I knew then we couldn’t let that broad anywhere near the Oval Office.

Then whoever ran her Twitter account in October 2016 tweeted the “Happy Birthday to the first female President” and I knew I had made the right choice.

I still believe Trump won the 2020 election. Hopefully we will see the evidence. 2020 radicalized my politics.

While the Republican Party has moved further to the Center than I would want, Democrats have gone full Commie. If LBJ was alive he would declare war on them.

I see no way forward for the country that doesn’t involve a civil conflict. Democrats keep pushing and pushing. “Republicans” are spineless. If Conservatives ever get complete control of the Republican Party and start pushing back, Democrats will be in trouble.

The average American is tired of being pissed on by BOTH parties. If they are forced to choose sides they won’t choose those cutting breasts off little girls and the testicles off little boys.

Watch what’s going on in DC now with the Democrats. They’re showing their hand. Hopefully Conservatives keep preparing for what’s coming.

So you didn’t support Hilary cuz of “mean tweets”? Got it.


And lol at the Republican Party moving to the center. You’ve got guys openly giving nazi salutes at the largest conservative conference in the world. I truly shudder at what you might consider right wing.

You have to be joking.
There’s no way anyone could possibly be this dumb. Tell us you’re just kidding.

(02-03-2026 08:15 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(02-03-2026 08:07 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  So you didn’t support Hilary cuz of “mean tweets”? Got it.


And lol at the Republican Party moving to the center. You’ve got guys openly giving nazi salutes at the largest conservative conference in the world. I truly shudder at what you might consider right wing.

I didn’t support Hillary because she’s a c unt. You still pushing the Nazi salute BS. Learn your history….

The Nazis were National Socialists… Remind me again what party is proudly embracing Socialism. The same Socialism Hitler supported.

1. You should probably look at actual Nazi policies and not just the name. Pre hitler Nazi party did have some positions that would be considered socialism, but once they became a national party under Hitler they didn’t have a socialist model. In fact, if you examine their policies, you’ll find a lot of similarities between Dumps policies- tariffs, autarky, government partnerships with private business, expansionism etc. I know this is hard for republicans to understand- but sometimes people name things different than their actual positions (like make America great again)

2. Pretty much every mainstream democrat supports economic capitalism with expansion of social safety nets which is not socialism. I know you guys parrot out the talking points with no inspection, but you should educate yourself on the difference

(02-03-2026 08:19 AM)b2b Wrote:  I'm an independent. Republicans are spineless, at least tolerable and not insane. Democrats are straight up evil and disgusting. Libertarians are naive and possibly retarded.


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I'm def still an independent. Still registered that way. Always have been. I hate both major parties.

I only became pretty much a righty in the last few years, since the left got taken over by the socialists.

So it's not that I moved right. It's that the left moved out of my sight.

Now that I think about it, I probably align more with Trump, Gabbard, RFK Jr., etc.