So he died knowing that Trump had completely triumphed in the end, that his daughter Liz had thrown away a promising political career out of anger and spite, and that her efforts to destroy Trump had utterly failed. I wonder if he was ever able to admit that, even to himself.

Owl#s once observed that, as Chief of Staff to President Ford, Dick Cheney helped set the stage for Jimmy Carter. As Defense Secretary to Bush/41, Cheney helped set the stage for Bill Clinton. And as VP under Bush/43, Cheney helped set the stage for Barack Obama. That’s quite the hat-trick within one career. But I’ve never heard any Democrats thank him for it, LOL.

Many moons ago (1989), Dick Cheney was the Congressman from Wyoming when Bush/41 nominated a retired GOP Senator (John Tower) to be SecDef. Not the guy who would’ve been at the top of my list, but still a mainstream, consensus choice. For reasons that I never quite understood, Senate Dems chose to draw a line against their former colleague and staged a rather ugly scene, eventually defeating the nomination on the floor of the Senate. Good for them (I guess?) except that Bush/41 then had to pick a replacement, and suddenly Dick Cheney became a major national figure. And suddenly Newt Gingrich was picked to be Cheney’s replacement as a House GOP leader.

The law of unintended consequences, it’s a real b¡tch!

(11-04-2025 09:45 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  So he died knowing that Trump had completely triumphed in the end, that his daughter Liz had thrown away a promising political career out of anger and spite, and that her efforts to destroy Trump had utterly failed. I wonder if he was ever able to admit that, even to himself.

Owl#s once observed that, as Chief of Staff to President Ford, Dick Cheney helped set the stage for Jimmy Carter. As Defense Secretary to Bush/41, Cheney helped set the stage for Bill Clinton. And as VP under Bush/43, Cheney helped set the stage for Barack Obama. That’s quite the hat-trick within one career. But I’ve never heard any Democrats thank him for it, LOL.

Many moons ago (1989), Dick Cheney was the Congressman from Wyoming when Bush/41 nominated a retired GOP Senator (John Tower) to be SecDef. Not the guy who would’ve been at the top of my list, but still a mainstream, consensus choice. For reasons that I never quite understood, Senate Dems chose to draw a line against their former colleague and staged a rather ugly scene, eventually defeating the nomination on the floor of the Senate. Good for them (I guess?) except that Bush/41 then had to pick a replacement, and suddenly Dick Cheney became a major national figure. And suddenly Newt Gingrich was picked to be Cheney’s replacement as a House GOP leader.

The law of unintended consequences, it’s a real b¡tch!

I’d add John McCain and Mitt Romney as part of the evolution from moving people from Neoconservatism to Trumpism, but your points still stand with Bush/Cheney. Most of the Never Trump Republicans are the old neoconservatives.

I have had this discussion with Dems many times, who tend to bunch all the wings of the Republican Party into one piece. Neoconservatism is just big government progressive politics, they just allocate the tax payer dollars in different ways than left wing professives do.

This is why you see Dems post memes today about how they miss the days of George Bush when we “all got along”.

(11-04-2025 09:24 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I swear I thought he died a few years ago.

That guy had a bad ticker for 30 years.

nearly 50 years. Had his first MI at 37.

I'll leave this here.

C'mon guys, we criticize the Commies for blasting Charlie in his death but y'all are doing the same thing to Cheney. What's the use of blasting him like that, he'll pay for his sins and that's all that can happen. I know the comparison with him and Charlie are not alike but still we're acting as bad as the Demonics.

I didn't like him either but I won't spit in his grave...and I couldn't change a thing while he lived so...

How old was he anyway?

(11-04-2025 10:39 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  C'mon guys, we criticize the Commies for blasting Charlie in his death but y'all are doing the same thing to Cheney. What's the use of blasting him like that, he'll pay for his sins and that's all that can happen. I know the comparison with him and Charlie are not alike but still we're acting as bad as the Demonics.

I didn't like him either but I won't spit in his grave...and I couldn't change a thing while he lived so...

How old was he anyway?

I believe he was 84.

(11-04-2025 09:45 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  So he died knowing that Trump had completely triumphed in the end, that his daughter Liz had thrown away a promising political career out of anger and spite, and that her efforts to destroy Trump had utterly failed. I wonder if he was ever able to admit that, even to himself.

Owl#s once observed that, as Chief of Staff to President Ford, Dick Cheney helped set the stage for Jimmy Carter. As Defense Secretary to Bush/41, Cheney helped set the stage for Bill Clinton. And as VP under Bush/43, Cheney helped set the stage for Barack Obama. That’s quite the hat-trick within one career. But I’ve never heard any Democrats thank him for it, LOL.

Many moons ago (1989), Dick Cheney was the Congressman from Wyoming when Bush/41 nominated a retired GOP Senator (John Tower) to be SecDef. Not the guy who would’ve been at the top of my list, but still a mainstream, consensus choice. For reasons that I never quite understood, Senate Dems chose to draw a line against their former colleague and staged a rather ugly scene, eventually defeating the nomination on the floor of the Senate. Good for them (I guess?) except that Bush/41 then had to pick a replacement, and suddenly Dick Cheney became a major national figure. And suddenly Newt Gingrich was picked to be Cheney’s replacement as a House GOP leader.

The law of unintended consequences, it’s a real b¡tch!

Spot on



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Yep, 84. Personally, I don't think dying should automatically earn you respect.

I wouldn't walk up and badmouth that dude to his family, but posting something negative on an anonymous message board seems innocent enough to me.

All peeps in public life have baggage.

(11-04-2025 10:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-04-2025 09:45 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  So he died knowing that Trump had completely triumphed in the end, that his daughter Liz had thrown away a promising political career out of anger and spite, and that her efforts to destroy Trump had utterly failed. I wonder if he was ever able to admit that, even to himself.

Owl#s once observed that, as Chief of Staff to President Ford, Dick Cheney helped set the stage for Jimmy Carter. As Defense Secretary to Bush/41, Cheney helped set the stage for Bill Clinton. And as VP under Bush/43, Cheney helped set the stage for Barack Obama. That’s quite the hat-trick within one career. But I’ve never heard any Democrats thank him for it, LOL.

Many moons ago (1989), Dick Cheney was the Congressman from Wyoming when Bush/41 nominated a retired GOP Senator (John Tower) to be SecDef. Not the guy who would’ve been at the top of my list, but still a mainstream, consensus choice. For reasons that I never quite understood, Senate Dems chose to draw a line against their former colleague and staged a rather ugly scene, eventually defeating the nomination on the floor of the Senate. Good for them (I guess?) except that Bush/41 then had to pick a replacement, and suddenly Dick Cheney became a major national figure. And suddenly Newt Gingrich was picked to be Cheney’s replacement as a House GOP leader.

The law of unintended consequences, it’s a real b¡tch!

I’d add John McCain and Mitt Romney as part of the evolution from moving people from Neoconservatism to Trumpism, but your points still stand with Bush/Cheney. Most of the Never Trump Republicans are the old neoconservatives.

I have had this discussion with Dems many times, who tend to bunch all the wings of the Republican Party into one piece. Neoconservatism is just big government progressive politics, they just allocate the tax payer dollars in different ways than left wing professives do.

This is why you see Dems post memes today about how they miss the days of George Bush when we “all got along”.

Hardly any neocons left. Time heals most wounds.

I really admired Cheney. I respected W for not picking a VP who was dumber than him. However, I was disappointed in the Forever wars that he advocated. I fear that led to way to Barrack Hussein and the emergence of the Prog Filth. Cheney sort of blew it. Godspeed to him

Dick Cheney could have been the J Edgar Hoover of the CIA in another life. Dude was smart.

(11-04-2025 11:30 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Dick Cheney could have been the J Edgar Hoover of the CIA in another life. Dude was smart.

He was smart, I'll give him that. But I never trusted him. Actually, I rarely trust any politician. I can't think of one at the moment.

I certainly don't trust Trump. I just like many of his policies, which is easy to do when compared to the current Dem party.

And a guy whom one should never go pheasant hunting with.....

Okay, tanq. That was funny. Good job.

(11-04-2025 10:39 AM)olliebaba Wrote:  C'mon guys, we criticize the Commies for blasting Charlie in his death but y'all are doing the same thing to Cheney. What's the use of blasting him like that, he'll pay for his sins and that's all that can happen. I know the comparison with him and Charlie are not alike but still we're acting as bad as the Demonics.

I didn't like him either but I won't spit in his grave...and I couldn't change a thing while he lived so...

How old was he anyway?

it's a bbs, ollie ... I don't believe a soul said a word about spittin' or pissin' on his grave, amigo...

however, it's fair to bring up his track record in memoriam ... he was a public figure ... that's why the criticism is deserved...

(11-04-2025 10:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(11-04-2025 09:45 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  So he died knowing that Trump had completely triumphed in the end, that his daughter Liz had thrown away a promising political career out of anger and spite, and that her efforts to destroy Trump had utterly failed. I wonder if he was ever able to admit that, even to himself.

Owl#s once observed that, as Chief of Staff to President Ford, Dick Cheney helped set the stage for Jimmy Carter. As Defense Secretary to Bush/41, Cheney helped set the stage for Bill Clinton. And as VP under Bush/43, Cheney helped set the stage for Barack Obama. That’s quite the hat-trick within one career. But I’ve never heard any Democrats thank him for it, LOL.

Many moons ago (1989), Dick Cheney was the Congressman from Wyoming when Bush/41 nominated a retired GOP Senator (John Tower) to be SecDef. Not the guy who would’ve been at the top of my list, but still a mainstream, consensus choice. For reasons that I never quite understood, Senate Dems chose to draw a line against their former colleague and staged a rather ugly scene, eventually defeating the nomination on the floor of the Senate. Good for them (I guess?) except that Bush/41 then had to pick a replacement, and suddenly Dick Cheney became a major national figure. And suddenly Newt Gingrich was picked to be Cheney’s replacement as a House GOP leader.

The law of unintended consequences, it’s a real b¡tch!

I’d add John McCain and Mitt Romney as part of the evolution from moving people from Neoconservatism to Trumpism, but your points still stand with Bush/Cheney. Most of the Never Trump Republicans are the old neoconservatives.

I have had this discussion with Dems many times, who tend to bunch all the wings of the Republican Party into one piece. Neoconservatism is just big government progressive politics, they just allocate the tax payer dollars in different ways than left wing professives do.

This is why you see Dems post memes today about how they miss the days of George Bush when we “all got along”.

McCain, Romney, cheney

(11-04-2025 12:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  And a guy whom one should never go pheasant hunting with.....

Okay, we agree on something!

(11-04-2025 12:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-04-2025 12:22 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  And a guy whom one should never go pheasant hunting with.....

Okay, we agree on something!

Yeah, I had to laugh at that, too. It was a good joke.

(11-04-2025 09:45 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  So he died knowing that Trump had completely triumphed in the end, that his daughter Liz had thrown away a promising political career out of anger and spite, and that her efforts to destroy Trump had utterly failed. I wonder if he was ever able to admit that, even to himself.

Owl#s once observed that, as Chief of Staff to President Ford, Dick Cheney helped set the stage for Jimmy Carter. As Defense Secretary to Bush/41, Cheney helped set the stage for Bill Clinton. And as VP under Bush/43, Cheney helped set the stage for Barack Obama. That’s quite the hat-trick within one career. But I’ve never heard any Democrats thank him for it, LOL.

Many moons ago (1989), Dick Cheney was the Congressman from Wyoming when Bush/41 nominated a retired GOP Senator (John Tower) to be SecDef. Not the guy who would’ve been at the top of my list, but still a mainstream, consensus choice. For reasons that I never quite understood, Senate Dems chose to draw a line against their former colleague and staged a rather ugly scene, eventually defeating the nomination on the floor of the Senate. Good for them (I guess?) except that Bush/41 then had to pick a replacement, and suddenly Dick Cheney became a major national figure. And suddenly Newt Gingrich was picked to be Cheney’s replacement as a House GOP leader.

The law of unintended consequences, it’s a real b¡tch!

Their war against Tower was kind of inexplicable. Maybe they were mad at him for turning Texas Republican. Until Bill Clements was governor in 1978, John Tower in the special 1961 election to replace LBJ was the only Republican elected statewide since Reconstruction.

He DID help save us from Al Gore.