(10-29-2025 02:18 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 12:31 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 11:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You guys know who the fat occupant of the White House currently is, right?

Whatabout.

Well, doesn't it sound a tad hypocritical to call JB fat and a liar when you support a guy who's out of shape, overweight, and the biggest liar to ever occupy the Oval Office?

What's hypocritical is to go after posters for "whataboutism" and then do that very thing. Repeatedly.

What would you expect from someone like Tom who claims to be an independent and not affiliated with the Democrat Party?

(10-29-2025 02:15 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 12:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  You know who the ONLY major official Ive ever heard suggest that US citizens be rounded up and sent to concentration camps for "re-education"? Robert Riech suggested Republicans be rounded up and sent to re-education camps on one of the Sunday Morning talks early in the Biden Administration.....and of course, the host made didnt make a big deal about that chilling statement---literally just moved on to the next question after a former Clinton Cabinet member and major figure in the Democrat Party suggested sending American citizens with traditional conservative views he didnt like to concentration camps.

Better check your memory...if CoPilot is correct.

Quote:No, Robert Reich has not called for Republicans to be sent to re-education camps.

This claim appears to be a misrepresentation or exaggeration of a tweet Reich made in 2020, in which he proposed a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” to address the misinformation and harm caused during the trump administration. His actual words were:

“When this nightmare is over, we need a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. It would erase trump’s lies, comfort those who have been harmed by his hatefulness, and name every official, politician, executive and media mogul whose greed and cowardice enabled this catastrophe.”

There was no mention of re-education camps in his statement. However, some commentators and critics interpreted or speculated that such a commission could lead to punitive measures, including comparisons to historical re-education efforts. These interpretations were not based on Reich’s actual words, but rather on rhetorical extrapolations or political commentary.

Was not a tweet. I literally watched him say it on a tv program. I remember not being sure what was more shocking---that he said it---or that the host didnt bat and eye or follow up on the comment.

(10-29-2025 02:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Was not a tweet. I literally watched him say it on a tv program.

Not doubting you, but Grok says it didn't happen either. Are you sure it wasn't someone else who said it?

Quote:No, Robert Reich did not talk about putting US citizens in re-education camps. This appears to be a baseless claim, likely stemming from misinformation or misinterpretation of his advocacy for stronger civic education, public policy reforms, or criticisms of authoritarianism. Reich, a former US Secretary of Labor and UC Berkeley professor, has long focused on issues like economic inequality, democracy, and education as a tool for informed citizenship—but nothing resembling forced re-education or internment.

(10-29-2025 02:18 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 12:31 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 11:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You guys know who the fat occupant of the White House currently is, right?

Whatabout.

Well, doesn't it sound a tad hypocritical to call JB fat and a liar when you support a guy who's out of shape, overweight, and the biggest liar to ever occupy the Oval Office?

What's hypocritical is to go after posters for "whataboutism" and then do that very thing. Repeatedly.

Perhaps you can point out all the times I've "went after" posters for whataboutism?

(10-29-2025 02:22 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:18 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 12:31 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 11:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You guys know who the fat occupant of the White House currently is, right?

Whatabout.

Well, doesn't it sound a tad hypocritical to call JB fat and a liar when you support a guy who's out of shape, overweight, and the biggest liar to ever occupy the Oval Office?

What's hypocritical is to go after posters for "whataboutism" and then do that very thing. Repeatedly.

What would you expect from someone like Tom who claims to be an independent and not affiliated with the Democrat Party?

Serious question, Andy...you do know I've never claimed to be an independent, right?

And no, I'm not affiliated with any party. I don't even live in a state where you have to declare a party. And the last time I did, I registered as a Republican so I could vote against Shrub in a primary.

(10-29-2025 02:27 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Was not a tweet. I literally watched him say it on a tv program.

Not doubting you, but Grok says it didn't happen either. Are you sure it wasn't someone else who said it?

Quote:No, Robert Reich did not talk about putting US citizens in re-education camps. This appears to be a baseless claim, likely stemming from misinformation or misinterpretation of his advocacy for stronger civic education, public policy reforms, or criticisms of authoritarianism. Reich, a former US Secretary of Labor and UC Berkeley professor, has long focused on issues like economic inequality, democracy, and education as a tool for informed citizenship—but nothing resembling forced re-education or internment.

CoPilot has this:

Quote:The actual instances where the term “re-education camps” was used came from other individuals, such as:

A PBS attorney, Michael Beller, who was caught in a Project Veritas video making extreme comments about trump supporters.

A Democratic congressional candidate, Paula Collins, who used the term during a campaign event but later clarified she meant “civics education”.

(10-29-2025 02:27 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Was not a tweet. I literally watched him say it on a tv program.

Not doubting you, but Grok says it didn't happen either. Are you sure it wasn't someone else who said it?

Quote:No, Robert Reich did not talk about putting US citizens in re-education camps. This appears to be a baseless claim, likely stemming from misinformation or misinterpretation of his advocacy for stronger civic education, public policy reforms, or criticisms of authoritarianism. Reich, a former US Secretary of Labor and UC Berkeley professor, has long focused on issues like economic inequality, democracy, and education as a tool for informed citizenship—but nothing resembling forced re-education or internment.

I have found AI to be incorrect before---that said----yes, its possible Im remembering the comment correctly but attributing it to the wrong person---but thats what I remember.

(10-29-2025 02:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:22 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:18 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 12:31 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Whatabout.

Well, doesn't it sound a tad hypocritical to call JB fat and a liar when you support a guy who's out of shape, overweight, and the biggest liar to ever occupy the Oval Office?

What's hypocritical is to go after posters for "whataboutism" and then do that very thing. Repeatedly.

What would you expect from someone like Tom who claims to be an independent and not affiliated with the Democrat Party?

Serious question, Andy...you do know I've never claimed to be an independent, right?

And no, I'm not affiliated with any party. I don't even live in a state where you have to declare a party. And the last time I did, I registered as a Republican so I could vote against Shrub in a primary.

People have quoted you Tom with you saying that you're independent. So yeah, it's out there.

(10-29-2025 02:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:18 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 12:31 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 11:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You guys know who the fat occupant of the White House currently is, right?

Whatabout.

Well, doesn't it sound a tad hypocritical to call JB fat and a liar when you support a guy who's out of shape, overweight, and the biggest liar to ever occupy the Oval Office?

What's hypocritical is to go after posters for "whataboutism" and then do that very thing. Repeatedly.

Perhaps you can point out all the times I've "went after" posters for whataboutism?

Are you going to deny you've done it? We've had this conversation before.

(10-29-2025 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 12:31 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 11:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You guys know who the fat occupant of the White House currently is, right?

Whatabout.

Well, doesn't iit sound a tad hypocritical to call JB fat and a liar when you support a guy who's out of shape, overweight, and the biggest liar to ever occupy the Oval Office?

Funny I don’t see Trump conflating a false narrative about pre WW2 illegal immigrants in Germany that led to the Holocaust attempting to compare this to deportations is just vile deceitful and malicious.

Sorry, you are so uneducated you can’t see through the complicity of these lies.

On Trump!s best day he has NEVER DID OR SAID anything close

This gross excuse for a human cares not people lay dead in the streets of Chicago nightly but has the audacity to conjure up such an outrageous LIE in an attempt to work people up into a frenzy

He is as pathetic as Obama was caring not people died and businesses burned to further a political agenda

It’s sickening

AI is often incorrect. It's hardly infallible and was created by PEOPLE.

Jeeze some people think AI is the second coming of Christ.

(10-29-2025 02:40 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:22 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:18 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Well, doesn't it sound a tad hypocritical to call JB fat and a liar when you support a guy who's out of shape, overweight, and the biggest liar to ever occupy the Oval Office?

What's hypocritical is to go after posters for "whataboutism" and then do that very thing. Repeatedly.

What would you expect from someone like Tom who claims to be an independent and not affiliated with the Democrat Party?

Serious question, Andy...you do know I've never claimed to be an independent, right?

And no, I'm not affiliated with any party. I don't even live in a state where you have to declare a party. And the last time I did, I registered as a Republican so I could vote against Shrub in a primary.

People have quoted you Tom with you saying that you're independent. So yeah, it's out there.

No, they really haven't. When I talk about this, I try to clearly explain that I'm an Independent Voter. That's NOT an independent. It just means I don't belong to a party and further, I don't vote strictly on party lines.

Here's a chance for you to show your critical thinking chops.

1. Do I really support many independent positions?
2. Am I not a liberal? I clearly state that I am, and do it pretty regularly. And being a liberal, doesn't it stand to reason that I would mostly support democratic positions and politicians since they mostly are liberal?
3. In posts where I may have called myself an independent, did you read the comments...in context...and in relation to whom I was replying to? If so, you'd quickly see the sarcasm or trolling.

But yes, one time like 10 years ago I had a post where I incorrectly called my self an Independent while trying to explain how I vote. But if you find and read that post, you should easily see that I was merely describing myself as an Independent Voter...and at the time, I just wasn't actually familiar that it was an actual term for what I am.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_voter

Finally, no, I'm not an Independent. So even if you feel I called myself one...or was one...in the past, I'm not now! Capiche?

(10-29-2025 03:01 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:18 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 12:31 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  Whatabout.

Well, doesn't it sound a tad hypocritical to call JB fat and a liar when you support a guy who's out of shape, overweight, and the biggest liar to ever occupy the Oval Office?

What's hypocritical is to go after posters for "whataboutism" and then do that very thing. Repeatedly.

Perhaps you can point out all the times I've "went after" posters for whataboutism?

Are you going to deny you've done it? We've had this conversation before.

No, I've most definitely taken someone to task for it in the past. It's just not something I do with any great regularity.

(10-29-2025 06:36 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 12:31 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 11:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You guys know who the fat occupant of the White House currently is, right?

Whatabout.

Well, doesn't iit sound a tad hypocritical to call JB fat and a liar when you support a guy who's out of shape, overweight, and the biggest liar to ever occupy the Oval Office?

Funny I don’t see Trump conflating a false narrative about pre WW2 illegal immigrants in Germany that led to the Holocaust attempting to compare this to deportations is just vile deceitful and malicious.

Sorry, you are so uneducated you can’t see through the complicity of these lies.

On Trump!s best day he has NEVER DID OR SAID anything close

Of course, he can't. But people like the Fat Commie Dude can't look past their TDS.

(10-30-2025 08:29 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 06:36 PM)BlueDragon Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 02:13 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 12:31 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-29-2025 11:03 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You guys know who the fat occupant of the White House currently is, right?

Whatabout.

Well, doesn't iit sound a tad hypocritical to call JB fat and a liar when you support a guy who's out of shape, overweight, and the biggest liar to ever occupy the Oval Office?

Funny I don’t see Trump conflating a false narrative about pre WW2 illegal immigrants in Germany that led to the Holocaust attempting to compare this to deportations is just vile deceitful and malicious.

Sorry, you are so uneducated you can’t see through the complicity of these lies.

On Trump!s best day he has NEVER DID OR SAID anything close

Of course, he can't. But people like the Fat Commie Dude can't look past their TDS.

TDS has eaten people like him alive.