(10-26-2025 10:06 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Of course he can be

And he's not the only one either.

They are all like that. The logic circuits in their brains have been fried somehow.

(10-26-2025 11:53 AM)TripleA Wrote:  They are all like that. The logic circuits in their brains have been fried somehow.

SSRI's

(10-26-2025 02:46 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(10-26-2025 11:53 AM)TripleA Wrote:  They are all like that. The logic circuits in their brains have been fried somehow.

SSRI's

There's probably a whole lot of truth to that.

(10-26-2025 08:18 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Damn, I've looked and looked, and nowhere can I find a ruling that entitles a criminal defendant to the right to dress in a suit at trial. I found arguments supporting the reasons for a defendant wanting to wear a suit free of shackles, but there is no rule preventing a judge from denying that request, not one that I could discover anyway.

There is SCOTUS precedent that "the State cannot, consistent with the Fourteenth Amendment, compel an accused to stand trial before a jury while dressed in identifiable prison clothes". Simply because the prison garb could influence the jury as to his guilt. Estelle v. Williams, 425 U.S. 501 (1976)

But, if the defendant can be shown to be an actual and direct threat *in the courtroom*, a judge may shackle them. But that is an extreme measure, since judges are aware of the ramifications of an improper shackling will have based on the above.

And other precedent that if the defendant can supply a suit, his choice to wear a suit is his choice. That is -- in front of a jury.

The issue at present is whether that extends to pre-trial proceedings. The issue at the defense side is that this courtroom has video feed, and because of the stature of the case that video will be widely shown. Especially in the jurisdiction where it is happening -- and thus widely seen by the public (i.e. the jury pool). The judge will have to weigh the potential of visual effects of the pre-trial proceedings on effects on the jury pool.


Given the above issue that a state may not force a defendant to undergo trial in prision uniform *because* of an effect on a jury and/or jury pool -- the judge could easily decide to grant the request for the guy to show up in a suit.

Granting the request simply removes what could be an appealable issue from the trial overall. If you want to keep an avenue of appeal open, by all means deny the request. If the trial judge simply wishes to not have a potential ground of appeal available, then he should grant it.

(10-26-2025 02:46 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(10-26-2025 11:53 AM)TripleA Wrote:  They are all like that. The logic circuits in their brains have been fried somehow.

SSRI's

Hence why I will never get help. The first time a therapist prescribes me SSRIs, I'm walking out the door and never coming back.

(10-26-2025 04:00 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(10-26-2025 02:46 PM)RuckleSt Wrote:  

(10-26-2025 11:53 AM)TripleA Wrote:  They are all like that. The logic circuits in their brains have been fried somehow.

SSRI's

Hence why I will never get help. The first time a therapist prescribes me SSRIs, I'm walking out the door and never coming back.

At least you admit you need help, that’s a good first step.

Psychiatrists are MDs who can prescribe drugs. Psychologists and therapists can’t prescribe drugs, so there are many medication free therapy options.

Well, from my limited understanding of this, it's up to the presiding judge to determine whether or not Tyler Robinson can wear civilian clothes instead of "custody clothes" (my term; not sure if it's been used in this thread or anywhere else) during his trial. There's a hearing scheduled for 1PM Mountain Daylight Time. (3PM EDT and 2PM CDT, which is my timezone.) The judge should be making his ruling then.

(10-27-2025 10:12 AM)GeminiCoog Wrote:  Well, from my limited understanding of this, it's up to the presiding judge to determine whether or not Tyler Robinson can wear civilian clothes instead of "custody clothes" (my term; not sure if it's been used in this thread or anywhere else) during his trial. There's a hearing scheduled for 1PM Mountain Daylight Time. (3PM EDT and 2PM CDT, which is my timezone.) The judge should be making his ruling then.

Its up to the judge to determine if Robinson should be allowed to wear 'civvies' for pre-trial matters. The weight being the pre-trial being videoed and the potential effect on a jury pool for any such video.

Its SCOTUS caselaw that defendants be allowed 'civvies' during trial, if they request.

I'm with tanq on this one ... allow and be done with it ... it eliminates this as grounds of appeal...

IMO, it's not worth the effort to deny...

Yes. It's meant for future court appearances. Thank you for the correction.

And for once, like stink, I also agree with tanq. Not that, at least in my opinion which is still pretty limited, Robinson's defense team would have much of a leg to stand on if the judge didn't allow it, but it makes sense to go ahead and remove it as an avenue for appeal. I think Robinson will be convicted regardless, but this is a necessary hoop to jump through.

First request is granted. (I don't remember what that is.) Second request -- Tyler Robinson wants to appear in civilian or "street" clothing in order to best maintain his presumption of innocence until at least the trial so not to prejudice potential jurors -- is granted. Third request, which is that Robinson wishes to appear in pre-trial hearings without restraints is denied. There's a fourth request, but I don't remember what that is or what the judge ruled.

BREAKING: Judge Gives Kirk Assassin First Legal Victory, Allows Tyler Robinson to Appear in Court in Civilian Clothing – Bans Media From Recording Him Entering/Exiting Courthouse

Quote:Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson was back in court on Monday as Judge Tony Graf ruled on whether he may appear in court in civilian clothing.

Judge Graf ruled that Tyler Robinson may appear in court in civilian clothing for his trial given the presumption of innocence, however, he said Robinson must appear in restraints.

The judge also ruled that the media may not photograph or record Tyler Robinson entering or exiting the courthouse.

WATCH:

Prior to his conviction for murder, Ted Bundy was allowed to appear in Florida court wearing civilian clothes. His legs or ankles were discreetly shackled somehow with a device which I believed had never been used before (this was 1979), and the jury supposedly could not see. So really, in that regard it appears that Tyler Robinson is being given the same judicial courtesy that Ted Bundy was given way back when.

(10-26-2025 07:57 AM)U_of_Elvis Wrote:  This is a standard request in every criminal trial. In Deck vs MO the US Supreme Court upheld that shackles and jumpsuits can prejudice the jury. This is basically always granted unless the person is a threat to the courtroom.

I’d be okay with that if that included walking into and out of the courthouse.

No shackles, no need for a vest either, right?

POS