(10-14-2025 03:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  In those days, the left was all up in arms about it and passed laws putting restrictions on this stuff. Now the left pushes it and ignores the laws.

I can go back to the original thread on this subject and guarantee I made this comparison out of the gate ... this isn't politics ... this is cake and eat it too, mafia type bs ... oopsy, it's politics ...

therefore, heads were 'chopped' then ... heads need to be 'chopped' now ...

(10-14-2025 03:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-14-2025 12:06 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  lol what a stupid reimagining of what actually happened.

A clandestine operation to hack into the headquarters of the opposing party and listenin on their conversations in almost real time vs getting a subpoena to a legal investigation for 2 year old metadata even this “author” isn’t disingenuous enough to discount


Dumb for anyone with any critical thinking skills. Perfect for MAGA and boomer victimology complex and persecution porn wallowing.

The left always justifies the spying so long as it's against republicans.

Balygarggle would be screaming democracy is dying if the FBI was keeping tabs on his incel furry and anime porn search history.

lol if in the future a democratic president tries to orchestrate a coup and calls democratic senators to enlist in the coup, I’ll support the investigation pulling their phone metadata 2 years after the fact.

The NSA knows my search history just like they know which of you conservative republicans are swiping right on Johnson’s Grindr profile

(10-14-2025 03:33 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(10-14-2025 03:07 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(10-14-2025 12:06 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  lol what a stupid reimagining of what actually happened.

A clandestine operation to hack into the headquarters of the opposing party and listenin on their conversations in almost real time vs getting a subpoena to a legal investigation for 2 year old metadata even this “author” isn’t disingenuous enough to discount


Dumb for anyone with any critical thinking skills. Perfect for MAGA and boomer victimology complex and persecution porn wallowing.

The left always justifies the spying so long as it's against republicans.

Balygarggle would be screaming democracy is dying if the FBI was keeping tabs on his incel furry and anime porn search history.

lol if in the future a democratic president tries to orchestrate a coup and calls democratic senators to enlist in the coup, I’ll support the investigation pulling their phone metadata 2 years after the fact.

The NSA knows my search history just like they know which of you conservative republicans are swiping right on Johnson’s Grindr profile

ewe'd suck ewer own shlong whilst holding two others for a twin...

(10-14-2025 02:57 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I watched All the Presidents Men (again for the umpteenth) just as a refresher + I like the movie ...

As a movie, it is very strong. And actually plays fairly close to the facts as we knew them in 1975. I will say, now that we know Deep Throat was the #2 guy at FBI, the garage-scenes with Hal Holbrook have become unintentionally funny. But still, a great film, and kind of a time-capsule of how Hollywood liberals felt about the country in those days.

Quote:how much truth is in the Haldeman side of the equation with covert ops being run for years within all three agencies (DOJ, FBI, CIA) ...

Not entirely sure I follow the question, but what I think you’re referring to is the account in Haldeman’s book that FBI, CIA, Pentagon/Joint Chiefs, etc. were completely unaccountable to anything the Nixon Admin. tried to do, and indeed did lots of weird sh¡t on their own without even getting pro forma “permission” from the Trickster.

All of that is true, so far as it goes. And as Bullet correctly states, the Church Committee (as in Frank Church, Democrat from Idaho) did, indeed, blow the whistle on some of that stuff in 75/76. The so-called “Family Jewels” (referring mostly to CIA plots and subplots) were revealed, and CIA Director Richard Helms was even forced to cop a plea in federal court to misleading congressional testimony. The sentence was suspended, but oh he was enraged to have to go through that. And then a couple of FBI guys — including the one we now call Deep Throat! — were put on trial in NY for various offenses against left wing dissidents and other groups Hoover had deemed undesirable.

One footnote to all that is that “Haldeman’s book” was almost entirely ghosted by a co-author in 1977/78 while he was still incarcerated. Haldeman needed the $$$ and just kind of went with it, but years later admitted it wasn’t really his own book.

(10-14-2025 03:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  I used to have a book with a lot of detail on what went on. We covered it in a college government class. It was a hot topic back then.

Curious to know title/author if you can possibly say.

(10-14-2025 06:13 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-14-2025 02:57 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I watched All the Presidents Men (again for the umpteenth) just as a refresher + I like the movie ...

As a movie, it is very strong. And actually plays fairly close to the facts as we knew them in 1975. I will say, now that we know Deep Throat was the #2 guy at FBI, the garage-scenes with Hal Holbrook have become unintentionally funny. But still, a great film, and kind of a time-capsule of how Hollywood liberals felt about the country in those days.

Quote:how much truth is in the Haldeman side of the equation with covert ops being run for years within all three agencies (DOJ, FBI, CIA) ...

Not entirely sure I follow the question, but what I think you’re referring to is the account in Haldeman’s book that FBI, CIA, Pentagon/Joint Chiefs, etc. were completely unaccountable to anything the Nixon Admin. tried to do, and indeed did lots of weird sh¡t on their own without even getting pro forma “permission” from the Trickster.

All of that is true, so far as it goes. And as Bullet correctly states, the Church Committee (as in Frank Church, Democrat from Idaho) did, indeed, blow the whistle on some of that stuff in 75/76. The so-called “Family Jewels” (referring mostly to CIA plots and subplots) were revealed, and CIA Director Richard Helms was even forced to cop a plea in federal court to misleading congressional testimony. The sentence was suspended, but oh he was enraged to have to go through that. And then a couple of FBI guys — including the one we now call Deep Throat! — were put on trial in NY for various offenses against left wing dissidents and other groups Hoover had deemed undesirable.

One footnote to all that is that “Haldeman’s book” was almost entirely ghosted by a co-author in 1977/78 while he was still incarcerated. Haldeman needed the $$$ and just kind of went with it, but years later admitted it wasn’t really his own book.

(10-14-2025 03:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  I used to have a book with a lot of detail on what went on. We covered it in a college government class. It was a hot topic back then.

Curious to know title/author if you can possibly say.

you nailed it ... thank you!

The 70’s were a different time. Democrats hadn’t morphed into Communists yet. (No doubt they were still evil though see Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick or anything LBJ said as proof.)

Nowadays Democrats, and some RINO Republicans, would consider what the Biden Justice Department did as business as usual.

Keep in mind just because Republican administrations since Reagan were spineless, doesn’t mean Democrats haven’t been willing to walk all over Americans Constitutional Rights to advance their Leftist agenda.

Bondi is the weak link. She worries more about what she looks like in front of the camera than what she says in front of the camera.

I don’t trust we’ll ever see justice for what Garland and company did

(10-14-2025 06:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The 70’s were a different time. Democrats hadn’t morphed into Communists yet. (No doubt they were still evil though see Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick or anything LBJ said as proof.)

Nowadays Democrats, and some RINO Republicans, would consider what the Biden Justice Department did as business as usual.

Keep in mind just because Republican administrations since Reagan were spineless, doesn’t mean Democrats haven’t been willing to walk all over Americans Constitutional Rights to advance their Leftist agenda.

Bondi is the weak link. She worries more about what she looks like in front of the camera than what she says in front of the camera.

I don’t trust we’ll ever see justice for what Garland and company did

I'm betting you're wrong on Bondi ... it takes a minute to build a case(s) like this...

I'm giving her thru the next 3 quarters to establish a firmer outline that will yield more indictments ... remember, she has the toughest job of 'em all as the face fighting the swamp ... what she does know is DJT has her back if/when she pulls more triggers ... it hasn't been a year ... give it more time and chill, Winston ...

(10-14-2025 06:13 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-14-2025 02:57 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I watched All the Presidents Men (again for the umpteenth) just as a refresher + I like the movie ...

As a movie, it is very strong. And actually plays fairly close to the facts as we knew them in 1975. I will say, now that we know Deep Throat was the #2 guy at FBI, the garage-scenes with Hal Holbrook have become unintentionally funny. But still, a great film, and kind of a time-capsule of how Hollywood liberals felt about the country in those days.

Quote:how much truth is in the Haldeman side of the equation with covert ops being run for years within all three agencies (DOJ, FBI, CIA) ...

Not entirely sure I follow the question, but what I think you’re referring to is the account in Haldeman’s book that FBI, CIA, Pentagon/Joint Chiefs, etc. were completely unaccountable to anything the Nixon Admin. tried to do, and indeed did lots of weird sh¡t on their own without even getting pro forma “permission” from the Trickster.

All of that is true, so far as it goes. And as Bullet correctly states, the Church Committee (as in Frank Church, Democrat from Idaho) did, indeed, blow the whistle on some of that stuff in 75/76. The so-called “Family Jewels” (referring mostly to CIA plots and subplots) were revealed, and CIA Director Richard Helms was even forced to cop a plea in federal court to misleading congressional testimony. The sentence was suspended, but oh he was enraged to have to go through that. And then a couple of FBI guys — including the one we now call Deep Throat! — were put on trial in NY for various offenses against left wing dissidents and other groups Hoover had deemed undesirable.

One footnote to all that is that “Haldeman’s book” was almost entirely ghosted by a co-author in 1977/78 while he was still incarcerated. Haldeman needed the $$$ and just kind of went with it, but years later admitted it wasn’t really his own book.

(10-14-2025 03:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  I used to have a book with a lot of detail on what went on. We covered it in a college government class. It was a hot topic back then.

Curious to know title/author if you can possibly say.

Don't remember. It was our course textbook, a thick standard dimensions paperback. Something about government spying. Lots of footnotes to the Church report. The course was Issues and Policies-US intelligence community if you can find an old syllabus online somewhere.

(10-14-2025 12:06 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  lol what a stupid reimagining of what actually happened.

A clandestine operation to hack into the headquarters of the opposing party and listenin on their conversations in almost real time vs getting a subpoena to a legal investigation for 2 year old metadata even this “author” isn’t disingenuous enough to discount


Dumb for anyone with any critical thinking skills. Perfect for MAGA and boomer victimology complex and persecution porn wallowing.

What a hypocrite. So typical.

People like you should be celebrated actually.
You’re part of the reason our side won. And will keep winning. We should thank you for your continued delusional lunacy.

(10-14-2025 06:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-14-2025 06:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The 70’s were a different time. Democrats hadn’t morphed into Communists yet. (No doubt they were still evil though see Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick or anything LBJ said as proof.)

Nowadays Democrats, and some RINO Republicans, would consider what the Biden Justice Department did as business as usual.

Keep in mind just because Republican administrations since Reagan were spineless, doesn’t mean Democrats haven’t been willing to walk all over Americans Constitutional Rights to advance their Leftist agenda.

Bondi is the weak link. She worries more about what she looks like in front of the camera than what she says in front of the camera.

I don’t trust we’ll ever see justice for what Garland and company did

I'm betting you're wrong on Bondi ... it takes a minute to build a case(s) like this...

I'm giving her thru the next 3 quarters to establish a firmer outline that will yield more indictments ... remember, she has the toughest job of 'em all as the face fighting the swamp ... what she does know is DJT has her back if/when she pulls more triggers ... it hasn't been a year ... give it more time and chill, Winston ...

addendum: she's no Sessions ... the majority called that out that spineless fagoo out of the gate ... I'll agree she may be in over her head overloading the schedule with announcements vs. indictments ... I got a sneaky one about her fangs that have yet to prey upon vs. the pseudo Van Helsings ... it is the season of all hallows eve, Ja?! ...

(10-14-2025 08:27 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-14-2025 06:41 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-14-2025 06:25 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  The 70’s were a different time. Democrats hadn’t morphed into Communists yet. (No doubt they were still evil though see Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick or anything LBJ said as proof.)

Nowadays Democrats, and some RINO Republicans, would consider what the Biden Justice Department did as business as usual.

Keep in mind just because Republican administrations since Reagan were spineless, doesn’t mean Democrats haven’t been willing to walk all over Americans Constitutional Rights to advance their Leftist agenda.

Bondi is the weak link. She worries more about what she looks like in front of the camera than what she says in front of the camera.

I don’t trust we’ll ever see justice for what Garland and company did

I'm betting you're wrong on Bondi ... it takes a minute to build a case(s) like this...

I'm giving her thru the next 3 quarters to establish a firmer outline that will yield more indictments ... remember, she has the toughest job of 'em all as the face fighting the swamp ... what she does know is DJT has her back if/when she pulls more triggers ... it hasn't been a year ... give it more time and chill, Winston ...

addendum: she's no Sessions ... the majority called that out that spineless fagoo out of the gate ... I'll agree she may be in over her head overloading the schedule with announcements vs. indictments ... I got a sneaky one about her fangs that have yet to prey upon vs. the pseudo Van Helsings ... it is the season of all hallows eve, Ja?! ...

Hope you’re right Brother.
I know Trump had to already remind her to get to work prosecuting Biden administrations malfeasance.

I think she’ll be fine and even perhaps “historical” by the end of the next 4 yrs.

She had to assemble a team from OUTSIDE the current rot. Get em in place and tasked.
Then start to one by one root out the fellow conspirators, the bagmen, the crooked lifers and ALL of anyone hired by the crook Garland.
That’s gonna take a little time.

Then put together cases, file in court and wait for the dim approved judge to schedule the innumerable cases, lose them to the corrupt Sloe* and zerO benchwarmer judges, then go to appeal. Etc

It’ll be awhile, but if justice is truly blind it will all (mostly) shake out over time.

I’m optimistic

I agree with stink and JMU about Bondi. I'm still believing she will come through, mainly b/c when she testifies on the Hill, she kicks every Dem's ass. OTOH, she screwed up the Epstein files thing six ways to Sunday.

We'll see...Main thing is not to let the statute of limitations run out, and get it finished during Trump 2.