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RE: Trent Bray FIRED at Oregon State
(10-12-2025 06:47 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 06:06 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  This one seemed inevitable. Surprised he lasted this long, honestly. Guess it wasn’t just about special teams, then?

The special teams did cost them a few victories. This was just a situation where a good guy and a good position coach was put in a situation that he should never have been put into. They rushed into the decision to make Bray the head coach with the chaos that was surrounding the program after the Pac-12 implosion.

Some donors are stepping up to pay the buyout, and they can now do a real search for a head coach and not rush into a selection. I would expect them to hire an experienced head coach.

Jonathan Smith’s move to MSU hasn’t worked out very well for anybody. Perhaps OSU can drag their feet until the end of the year and see if he’s available again…

Smith's buyout after December 1 is $2 million. Smith's salary at MSU is about $7.35 million annually. His salary at Oregon State was $5 million annually. Oregon State can probably pay him $3 to $4 million annually. They have a healthy G6 athletic budget.

Smith is considered a candidate for UCLA, but after the 38-13 loss to UCLA that probably is not going to happen. Smith played his high school football at Glendora high school in Southern California. There are reports that UCLA wants Jedd Fisch at Washington as the next head coach, but he has a $10 million dollar buyout.

The UC Regents, aka the governing board for the University of California system, is holding a special closed meeting on Tuesday, October 14, 2025, at UC San Francisco. One of the main topics they’ll discuss is how much UCLA can pay its next football head coach. Because this involves details about a person’s job and salary, the discussion will take place in a private session rather than in public.

Bob Myers, the former Golden State Warrior GM, is a member of the UC BOR and he is also a member of the head coach search committee at UCLA. Allegedly, the UC BOR is looking for a way to help UCLA football. Myers also works as an ESPN in-game analyst for NBA basketball, and he is a special advisor to the Washington Commanders GM Adam Peters, who is also on the UCLA football coaching search committee.
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RE: Trent Bray FIRED at Oregon State
(10-12-2025 11:31 PM)WhidbeyWolf Wrote:  
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(10-12-2025 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  This one seemed inevitable. Surprised he lasted this long, honestly. Guess it wasn’t just about special teams, then?

The collapse of the P12 lead to a mass exodus of players and coaches. They are in bad shape in football and maybe basketball. Baseball still seems to be doing well.

Oregon State and Washington State both got screwed in the Pac-12 exodus. Two once-proud programs now relegated to fodder. It's a shame that the rest of the schools bolted -- the most contradictory are Stanford and Cal's decision to go ACC, where there are three religious-affiliated schools. They refused to allow BYU in the Pac 10 for years because, you know, religion.

I don't agree they got screwed. Who's fault they didn't invest enough in football? Not high market areas either.

So Portland isn't a high market?? How did U of Oregon get in the B1G???
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RE: Trent Bray FIRED at Oregon State
(10-13-2025 01:29 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 06:47 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 06:06 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  This one seemed inevitable. Surprised he lasted this long, honestly. Guess it wasn’t just about special teams, then?

The special teams did cost them a few victories. This was just a situation where a good guy and a good position coach was put in a situation that he should never have been put into. They rushed into the decision to make Bray the head coach with the chaos that was surrounding the program after the Pac-12 implosion.

Some donors are stepping up to pay the buyout, and they can now do a real search for a head coach and not rush into a selection. I would expect them to hire an experienced head coach.

Jonathan Smith’s move to MSU hasn’t worked out very well for anybody. Perhaps OSU can drag their feet until the end of the year and see if he’s available again…

Smith's buyout after December 1 is $2 million. Smith's salary at MSU is about $7.35 million annually. His salary at Oregon State was $5 million annually. Oregon State can probably pay him $3 to $4 million annually. They have a healthy G6 athletic budget.

Smith is considered a candidate for UCLA, but after the 38-13 loss to UCLA that probably is not going to happen. Smith played his high school football at Glendora high school in Southern California. There are reports that UCLA wants Jedd Fisch at Washington as the next head coach, but he has a $10 million dollar buyout.

The UC Regents, aka the governing board for the University of California system, is holding a special closed meeting on Tuesday, October 14, 2025, at UC San Francisco. One of the main topics they’ll discuss is how much UCLA can pay its next football head coach. Because this involves details about a person’s job and salary, the discussion will take place in a private session rather than in public.

Bob Myers, the former Golden State Warrior GM, is a member of the UC BOR and he is also a member of the head coach search committee at UCLA. Allegedly, the UC BOR is looking for a way to help UCLA football. Myers also works as an ESPN in-game analyst for NBA basketball, and he is a special advisor to the Washington Commanders GM Adam Peters, who is also on the UCLA football coaching search committee.

UCLA is $200m in the red over the past 6 years and paying an alimony on top of that. How in the world could they hope to lure Washington’s coach? They should just keep the current group, they seem to know what they’re doing, anyway.
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RE: Trent Bray FIRED at Oregon State
(10-13-2025 05:45 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-13-2025 01:29 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 06:47 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 06:06 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  This one seemed inevitable. Surprised he lasted this long, honestly. Guess it wasn’t just about special teams, then?

The special teams did cost them a few victories. This was just a situation where a good guy and a good position coach was put in a situation that he should never have been put into. They rushed into the decision to make Bray the head coach with the chaos that was surrounding the program after the Pac-12 implosion.

Some donors are stepping up to pay the buyout, and they can now do a real search for a head coach and not rush into a selection. I would expect them to hire an experienced head coach.

Jonathan Smith’s move to MSU hasn’t worked out very well for anybody. Perhaps OSU can drag their feet until the end of the year and see if he’s available again…

Smith's buyout after December 1 is $2 million. Smith's salary at MSU is about $7.35 million annually. His salary at Oregon State was $5 million annually. Oregon State can probably pay him $3 to $4 million annually. They have a healthy G6 athletic budget.

Smith is considered a candidate for UCLA, but after the 38-13 loss to UCLA that probably is not going to happen. Smith played his high school football at Glendora high school in Southern California. There are reports that UCLA wants Jedd Fisch at Washington as the next head coach, but he has a $10 million dollar buyout.

The UC Regents, aka the governing board for the University of California system, is holding a special closed meeting on Tuesday, October 14, 2025, at UC San Francisco. One of the main topics they’ll discuss is how much UCLA can pay its next football head coach. Because this involves details about a person’s job and salary, the discussion will take place in a private session rather than in public.

Bob Myers, the former Golden State Warrior GM, is a member of the UC BOR and he is also a member of the head coach search committee at UCLA. Allegedly, the UC BOR is looking for a way to help UCLA football. Myers also works as an ESPN in-game analyst for NBA basketball, and he is a special advisor to the Washington Commanders GM Adam Peters, who is also on the UCLA football coaching search committee.

UCLA is $200m in the red over the past 6 years and paying an alimony on top of that. How in the world could they hope to lure Washington’s coach? They should just keep the current group, they seem to know what they’re doing, anyway.

The University covers the athletic shortfall, treating the debt as an institutional obligation rather than reporting it as a formal debt on its books. This accounting practice effectively removes the athletic department's large deficit from its own financial reporting. The debt is never going to be paid back and most of it is not the fault of the athletic department.

The current group or interim coaching staff is a stopgap solution for this season. Jerry Neuheisel may end up being the OC on the next staff, but there is going to be a new head coach. UCLA donors will step up for the right coach. I think the UC Board of Regents meeting tomorrow is regarding the salary of the next head football coach at UCLA.

Jedd Fisch was the UCLA OC in 2017 and interim head coach for two games after Mora was fired. He wanted the job permanently, but the old AD at UCLA went with Chip Kelly. The current AD at UCLA could have fired Kelly and hired Fisch when he was at Arizona but waited too long and Fisch took the job at Washington. Then he hired Foster and the rest is history.
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Oregon State would be a good landing spot for Chris Petersen IMHO.
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RE: Trent Bray FIRED at Oregon State
(10-13-2025 01:29 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 06:47 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 06:06 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  This one seemed inevitable. Surprised he lasted this long, honestly. Guess it wasn’t just about special teams, then?

The special teams did cost them a few victories. This was just a situation where a good guy and a good position coach was put in a situation that he should never have been put into. They rushed into the decision to make Bray the head coach with the chaos that was surrounding the program after the Pac-12 implosion.

Some donors are stepping up to pay the buyout, and they can now do a real search for a head coach and not rush into a selection. I would expect them to hire an experienced head coach.

Jonathan Smith’s move to MSU hasn’t worked out very well for anybody. Perhaps OSU can drag their feet until the end of the year and see if he’s available again…

Smith's buyout after December 1 is $2 million. Smith's salary at MSU is about $7.35 million annually. His salary at Oregon State was $5 million annually. Oregon State can probably pay him $3 to $4 million annually. They have a healthy G6 athletic budget.

Smith is considered a candidate for UCLA, but after the 38-13 loss to UCLA that probably is not going to happen. Smith played his high school football at Glendora high school in Southern California. There are reports that UCLA wants Jedd Fisch at Washington as the next head coach, but he has a $10 million dollar buyout.

The UC Regents, aka the governing board for the University of California system, is holding a special closed meeting on Tuesday, October 14, 2025, at UC San Francisco. One of the main topics they’ll discuss is how much UCLA can pay its next football head coach. Because this involves details about a person’s job and salary, the discussion will take place in a private session rather than in public.

Bob Myers, the former Golden State Warrior GM, is a member of the UC BOR and he is also a member of the head coach search committee at UCLA. Allegedly, the UC BOR is looking for a way to help UCLA football. Myers also works as an ESPN in-game analyst for NBA basketball, and he is a special advisor to the Washington Commanders GM Adam Peters, who is also on the UCLA football coaching search committee.
The UC Regents have a specific policy regarding coach salaries, that any increase over 30% in salary has to be approved by the Regents. This covers new coaches, including any signing bonuses they might receive.

Generally speaking, the regents want to stay out of day-to-day management of the system and the individual schools. They may particularly avoid athletics since the system schools are competitors. With so many elite academic universities, they don't treat any one school as remarkably special. Myers is unusual for a UC regent in having such a close relationship with one school (Myers also played basketball for UCLA).

Regents are appointed for 12-year terms. Jerry Brown was a policy wonk so most of his regent appointments had little to do with UC schools even as students. When UCLA announced its move to the Big Ten, Gavin Newsom had just returned from a vacation in Montana and squawked that he as chair of the Board of Regents was not informed.

The actual chair of the Board of Regents pointed out that the governor was not chair of the board, but could preside at meetings. He also pointed out that Newsom had never attended a board meeting, even though he was an ex officio member as Lieutenant Governor.

When the news of the UCLA move first came out, the argument was that the board had delegated authority to the president of the UC system, and that he had delegated that authority to the chancellors of the schools. UCLA and UC Santa Cruz could each do their own thing. When UCLA's revenue dropped during the COVID year, UCLA gave a loan to the athletic department that has to be repaid. That helped push UCLA to explore moving to the B1G. There was never much opposition on the board to the move.

At first the board was exploring a policy that would require board approval for a conference move that had an effect of more than X$$$, similar to the coach salary policy. It would not be retroactive.

There was some push back on the UCLA move, and the board finally acknowledged that they could micromanage anything if they chose. The angle that opponents chose to use was student welfare, so the resolution on UCLA moving included agreement on nutrition and travel mitigation with the Calimony added on. The executive session had agreed on a cap of $5 million, but the public meeting let this be amended to $10 million. At the time, the PAC-12 still had 10 teams and were negotiating a new contract. Ultimately, moving to the ACC cost Cal more than $10 million, but the president just let the cap be used. Cal was probably forced to move.

After the UCLA move was settled, the board created a special committee on athletics, with a two-year lifetime that has expired. I don't know what they discussed. Perhaps it triggered UCSD to explore moving to the WCC. The UC system has an agreement with the governor to increase in-state enrollment in the system, in which the governor will get them more facility spending. An athletic program can be attractive to students. International students won't care, but domestic students might.

Jonathan Guber, who owns the Dodgers and Warriors used to be on the board of regents. He resigned, and Myers was named as his replacement about six months later. I don't know if there was some sort of deal or not.

I had thought Bob Myers might have been related to Ann (and Dave) Meyers, but they spell their last name with two 'e's.

I couldn't find the actual resolution passed by the Board of Regents this week, but it might have simply been to authorize a higher salary for a new football coach (or assistant coaches). It passed on a 16 to 1, vote with three abstentions.
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(10-12-2025 11:31 PM)WhidbeyWolf Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 07:16 PM)kurtrundell Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 05:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  This one seemed inevitable. Surprised he lasted this long, honestly. Guess it wasn’t just about special teams, then?

The collapse of the P12 lead to a mass exodus of players and coaches. They are in bad shape in football and maybe basketball. Baseball still seems to be doing well.

Oregon State and Washington State both got screwed in the Pac-12 exodus. Two once-proud programs now relegated to fodder. It's a shame that the rest of the schools bolted -- the most contradictory are Stanford and Cal's decision to go ACC, where there are three religious-affiliated schools. They refused to allow BYU in the Pac 10 for years because, you know, religion.

I don't agree they got screwed. Who's fault they didn't invest enough in football? Not high market areas either.

Yeah that's my take. The 2PAC leftovers were in a "power" conference for well over 60 years, heck closer to 90, and in all that time they never developed their programs enough to be worth it to other power conferences. They just rode the gravy train for decades.

I save my sympathy for schools like my USF, that got demoted after a whopping six years as a power school, in a conference that was really quasi-power in terms of money and influence. Heck, that's shorter than some players hang around CFB these days. And yet IMO we got skewered for allegedly not investing more than the 2PAC have.
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(10-12-2025 07:16 PM)kurtrundell Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 05:32 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  This one seemed inevitable. Surprised he lasted this long, honestly. Guess it wasn’t just about special teams, then?

The collapse of the P12 lead to a mass exodus of players and coaches. They are in bad shape in football and maybe basketball. Baseball still seems to be doing well.

Oregon State and Washington State both got screwed in the Pac-12 exodus. Two once-proud programs now relegated to fodder. It's a shame that the rest of the schools bolted -- the most contradictory are Stanford and Cal's decision to go ACC, where there are three religious-affiliated schools. They refused to allow BYU in the Pac 10 for years because, you know, religion.

Well I think there's a pretty obvious difference in situation. With the ACC, Calford were desperate because it was either that or fall into the G-realm with the 2PAC. Nobody is going to do that if they can possibly avoid it, and joining the ACC avoided it.

Plus, there is religious and there is religious, IMO. BYU, to their credit IMO, takes their religious identity very seriously and it is reflected in their policies, which are anathema to liberal California schools. In contrast, while I lived in ACC territory for 18 years and know the conference well, I can't name the three religious affiliated schools off the top of my head. Is Wake Forest one of them?

So that's not a big aspect of the ACC's character, IMO.
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(10-12-2025 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  This one seemed inevitable. Surprised he lasted this long, honestly. Guess it wasn’t just about special teams, then?

In his defense, his schedule hasn't helped him. His 7 opponents are a combined 34-10 so far this season, and none have more than 2 losses. Five of the seven opponents are P4 teams.

In addition to Lafayette, the Beavers still have to play Sam Houston (0-7), Tulsa (2-5) and Washington State (3-3) twice. If his interim successor goes 4-1 he'll be hailed as a hero.
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(10-13-2025 08:55 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-13-2025 05:45 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-13-2025 01:29 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 06:47 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 06:06 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  The special teams did cost them a few victories. This was just a situation where a good guy and a good position coach was put in a situation that he should never have been put into. They rushed into the decision to make Bray the head coach with the chaos that was surrounding the program after the Pac-12 implosion.

Some donors are stepping up to pay the buyout, and they can now do a real search for a head coach and not rush into a selection. I would expect them to hire an experienced head coach.

Jonathan Smith’s move to MSU hasn’t worked out very well for anybody. Perhaps OSU can drag their feet until the end of the year and see if he’s available again…

Smith's buyout after December 1 is $2 million. Smith's salary at MSU is about $7.35 million annually. His salary at Oregon State was $5 million annually. Oregon State can probably pay him $3 to $4 million annually. They have a healthy G6 athletic budget.

Smith is considered a candidate for UCLA, but after the 38-13 loss to UCLA that probably is not going to happen. Smith played his high school football at Glendora high school in Southern California. There are reports that UCLA wants Jedd Fisch at Washington as the next head coach, but he has a $10 million dollar buyout.

The UC Regents, aka the governing board for the University of California system, is holding a special closed meeting on Tuesday, October 14, 2025, at UC San Francisco. One of the main topics they’ll discuss is how much UCLA can pay its next football head coach. Because this involves details about a person’s job and salary, the discussion will take place in a private session rather than in public.

Bob Myers, the former Golden State Warrior GM, is a member of the UC BOR and he is also a member of the head coach search committee at UCLA. Allegedly, the UC BOR is looking for a way to help UCLA football. Myers also works as an ESPN in-game analyst for NBA basketball, and he is a special advisor to the Washington Commanders GM Adam Peters, who is also on the UCLA football coaching search committee.

UCLA is $200m in the red over the past 6 years and paying an alimony on top of that. How in the world could they hope to lure Washington’s coach? They should just keep the current group, they seem to know what they’re doing, anyway.

The University covers the athletic shortfall, treating the debt as an institutional obligation rather than reporting it as a formal debt on its books. This accounting practice effectively removes the athletic department's large deficit from its own financial reporting. The debt is never going to be paid back and most of it is not the fault of the athletic department.

The current group or interim coaching staff is a stopgap solution for this season. Jerry Neuheisel may end up being the OC on the next staff, but there is going to be a new head coach. UCLA donors will step up for the right coach. I think the UC Board of Regents meeting tomorrow is regarding the salary of the next head football coach at UCLA.

Jedd Fisch was the UCLA OC in 2017 and interim head coach for two games after Mora was fired. He wanted the job permanently, but the old AD at UCLA went with Chip Kelly. The current AD at UCLA could have fired Kelly and hired Fisch when he was at Arizona but waited too long and Fisch took the job at Washington. Then he hired Foster and the rest is history.

Aw, so they're going with the ASU model, got it. However, looking at the most recent EADA (which would include the loan/gift from the Academic side for UCLA:

Washington: $187m
UCLA: $170m

UCLA gets ~ $30m more from the B1G than Washington for the next 5 years, but they're paying $10m of that to Cal for at least the next 2 years. So...um

$30m-10m = $20m

UCLA, counting their ~ $30m more from the Academic side, appears to have a grand total of around $3m more in future revenues than Washington. When was the last time a school stole a head coach from a conference rival with similar revenues? A basketball school stealing a coach from a football school, mind you?

Fisch might end up leaving Washington for greener pastures eventually, but it won't be for UCLA.

The current head coach, with Neuheisel's help, just slayed the PSU dragon and then whupped Mich St by 25 on the road. He was brought in as a "special assistant to the head coach" at UCLA for 2025...that sure sounds like "coach in waiting" to me. Certainly, the brass will at least see how the rest of the season plays out before deciding if they want to pay Fisch 10m a year to leave a real football school to move to a basketball school.

Kelly was 25-13 his last 3 years at UCLA, when the school was in the midst of losing $30m a year + for 6 straight years. Why were they going to buy him out? That would be unprecedented at a school like UCLA.
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Hard to hear about my parent's('43 and '48) Beavers program. Education funding is terrible in Orygun, not to mention most everything else.
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(10-18-2025 07:33 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(10-12-2025 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  This one seemed inevitable. Surprised he lasted this long, honestly. Guess it wasn’t just about special teams, then?

The collapse of the P12 lead to a mass exodus of players and coaches. They are in bad shape in football and maybe basketball. Baseball still seems to be doing well.

Oregon State and Washington State both got screwed in the Pac-12 exodus. Two once-proud programs now relegated to fodder. It's a shame that the rest of the schools bolted -- the most contradictory are Stanford and Cal's decision to go ACC, where there are three religious-affiliated schools. They refused to allow BYU in the Pac 10 for years because, you know, religion.

Well I think there's a pretty obvious difference in situation. With the ACC, Calford were desperate because it was either that or fall into the G-realm with the 2PAC. Nobody is going to do that if they can possibly avoid it, and joining the ACC avoided it.

Plus, there is religious and there is religious, IMO. BYU, to their credit IMO, takes their religious identity very seriously and it is reflected in their policies, which are anathema to liberal California schools. In contrast, while I lived in ACC territory for 18 years and know the conference well, I can't name the three religious affiliated schools off the top of my head. Is Wake Forest one of them?

So that's not a big aspect of the ACC's character, IMO.

Not really. Just BC and Notre Dame. There isn't a third that I'm aware of.
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(10-18-2025 08:04 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(10-12-2025 03:37 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  This one seemed inevitable. Surprised he lasted this long, honestly. Guess it wasn’t just about special teams, then?

In his defense, his schedule hasn't helped him. His 7 opponents are a combined 34-10 so far this season, and none have more than 2 losses. Five of the seven opponents are P4 teams.

In addition to Lafayette, the Beavers still have to play Sam Houston (0-7), Tulsa (2-5) and Washington State (3-3) twice. If his interim successor goes 4-1 he'll be hailed as a hero.

Honestly, I don't know what record would have made Bray safe after this season. Not even 6-6, especially if he wound up losing whatever bowl they landed. I truly believe it would have taken a fantastic season for him to keep his job to coach the team in the premiere season of the new PAC. I don't disagree, though, that he wasn't totally set up for success.

I'll double down and doubt that even winning out as the interim secures the job for Akey. "New conference, new coach" all the way at this point.
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