Watching a program on the Weather Channel, and this comes to mind...

From the mammoths on Wrangel Island to the Vikings on Greenland, climate change has always affected Earth and its inhabitants. Whales once walked in the Sahara, and men hunted there. Antarctica was once lush.

Climate change has been a constant since the Earth began.

Yet the modern climate political movement seems aimed at stopping or even reversing it.

Undoubtedly human factors exacerbate what is likely a natural event, but is stopping or reversing that natural event a reasonable goal? Is it even a desirable goal?

Perhaps a larger portion of our efforts and resources should be aimed at adjusting to the changes.

(07-19-2025 12:53 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Watching a program on the Weather Channel, and this comes to mind...

From the mammoths on Wrangel Island to the Vikings on Greenland, climate change has always affected Earth and its inhabitants. Whales once walked in the Sahara, and men hunted there. Antarctica was once lush.

Climate change has been a constant since the Earth began.

Yet the modern climate political movement seems aimed at stopping or even reversing it.

Undoubtedly human factors exacerbate what is likely a natural event, but is stopping or reversing that natural event a reasonable goal? Is it even a desirable goal?

Perhaps a larger portion of our efforts and resources should be aimed at adjusting to the changes.

Be frank here - what an idiotic take.

Let’s look at flooding. Floods have always happened. But we know, through science and study, that flood can be exacerbated by anthropomorphic forcings like paving over previously pervious surfaces, especially wetlands.

Imagine someone arguing that since flooding always happened, that we shouldn’t consider implementing construction codes and laws that mitigate the negative externalities related to flooding.

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Wind power’s eagle-kill permits are a deadly failure, so permitting must stop

Solar Farms' Hidden Environmental Costs: Land Use, Wildlife, And More

No, we don't need any more political leaders who push this kind of failure, fraud and waste on the American electorate. Gavin Newsome and his California posse are failures. Their policies and priorities make everything worse. NYC and State have fared no better with their insane leaders driving hoardes of folks to flee and get out while they still can. It is sad to see two States that should be successes turned into such failures by Democrat policies over and over again.

On of the left leaning comedians... can't remember which one, but obviously not Kimmel.... told a great story about the homeless fraud in California.

I''ll get the details wrong but the point and general comments are true...

They said that LA had a housing problem back after WWII because of all the men returning from war. They built Quonset Hut cities for them at some relatively nominal cost. He didn't say how much, but he did mention that those huts cost about 8k today. In 2016, LA voters approved homes for the homeless at a cost of about 150k per home. That's not apples/apples to the cost of the huts because of the cost of land... but we all know those aren't going to be 8k huts. The current estimate is over 500k per home... with few if any of them having been built 10 years later.... and much of that is due to 'soft costs' like permits and inspections and consultants... in other words, graft and corruption.

Same thing with this rail... same thing with that department that sent more money out in the last 90 days of the Biden administration than they had in the history of the department.... sometimes to 'NGOs' that didn't exist only days prior. How are you and 'NGO' if all of your funding is from the government??

The fact that the federal budget didn't even pretend to return to pre-covid spending levels post covid should tell us all we need to know about the expansion of graft and fraud... The LA Hospice doctor who claimed some 2000 patients when the average hospice doctor had 140? Autism related spending in Minnesota going from <5mm to almost $400mm in about 5 years?? If that doesn't scream 'fraud', it should at the very least have caused someone to wonder what the hell is going on with the rise in autism in Minnesota.

It's insane... and yet we still have people arguing that these investigations are politically driven....

Much of the fraud is being brought front and center by citizen investigators. Both sides have THOSE people. They may not get federal hearings today, but they should certainly be out there. Not this tinfoil hat game of connecting 500 dots... but obvious ones like the two I just gave. Let's start with the ones that make us look stupid as a nation like those. I mean that doctor and those people in Minnesota obviously didn't even TRY and hide their grift.

It's not more money for Newsome to steal - it's more money for Newsome to give away in return for political support.

Stupid weirdo Democrats have no idea about the very laws and statutes they are supposedly upset about this administration enforcing. Democrats just ignore laws they don't like and pretend unicorn exists when they clearly don't. Go back to your cave of ignorance and lies, crazy lady, and leave the rest of us alone.

Quote:Bart De Wever@Bart_DeWever

Er is een akkoord bereikt met ENGIE om de voorwaarden te bepalen en de nodige studies op te starten voor een volledige overname van het Belgische nucleaire park. In afwachting daarvan worden alle ontmantelingsactiviteiten per direct stopgezet.

Deze regering kiest voor zekere, betaalbare en duurzame energie. Met minder afhankelijkheid van fossiele import en meer controle over onze eigen voorziening.

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Un accord a été conclu avec ENGIE afin de définir les conditions et de lancer les études nécessaires en vue d’une reprise complète du parc nucléaire belge. D'ici là, toutes les activités de démantèlement sont suspendues avec effet immédiat.

Ce gouvernement fait le choix d'une énergie sûre, abordable et durable, avec moins de dépendance aux importations fossiles et plus de contrôle sur notre propre approvisionnement.

1:46 AM · Apr 30, 2026

translation:

"An agreement has been reached with ENGIE to define the terms and launch the necessary studies for a full takeover of Belgium’s nuclear fleet. Pending this, all decommissioning activities are suspended immediately.

This government is committed to secure, affordable, and sustainable energy—with less reliance on fossil fuel imports and greater control over our own energy supply.

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An agreement has been reached with ENGIE to define the terms and launch the necessary studies for a full takeover of the Belgian nuclear fleet. In the meantime, all decommissioning activities are suspended with immediate effect.

This government is committed to safe, affordable, and sustainable energy, with less dependence on fossil fuel imports and greater control over our own supply."

Bart Albert Liliane De Wever is a Belgian politician who has served as the Prime Minister of Belgium since February 2025.

Major Climate Change/Global Worming Event happening now. Puts more Carbon in the atmosphere than a year of Diesel heavy vehicles and cars combined! Democrats must stop it it! After all, we care about our planet, right?

Message from Democrats: "crickets"

Why? because the whole Green Climate Scam is complete BS, not about climate change, health or saving the planet: Green Climate concerns are solely about Marxists Authoritarian control and removing freedom and liberty in favor of a very, very small elite enslaving you. Don't listen to the Left about climate or the weather. Ever. Because they lie.

The greening of the Sahara

In search of a coherent timeline, geologists have had to look farther afield—to archives of dust and vegetation that have blown off the Saharan landmass and accumulated in terrestrial water bodies and on the ocean floor. In the past few decades, a slew of such evidence has indicated that the most recent NAHP[North African Humid Period], ending roughly 5,500 years ago, was merely the latest in a long-term cycle. One widely cited study that analyzed more than 1,200 sediment samples taken from lakes, wetlands and rivers across North Africa proposed that there have been 230 humid periods over the last eight million years.

(An article from Smithsonian for our environmentally concerned friends.)

(05-09-2026 06:30 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  The greening of the Sahara

In search of a coherent timeline, geologists have had to look farther afield—to archives of dust and vegetation that have blown off the Saharan landmass and accumulated in terrestrial water bodies and on the ocean floor. In the past few decades, a slew of such evidence has indicated that the most recent NAHP[North African Humid Period], ending roughly 5,500 years ago, was merely the latest in a long-term cycle. One widely cited study that analyzed more than 1,200 sediment samples taken from lakes, wetlands and rivers across North Africa proposed that there have been 230 humid periods over the last eight million years.

(An article from Smithsonian for our environmentally concerned friends.)

Come to think of it, haven't heard much lately about 97% of scientists or "the science is in". I wonder what has changed?

Watching a show about the rise of dinosaurs, the Carnian Pluvial Episode was mentioned.

Looking it up, here is what I found:


The Carnian pluvial episode (CPE), often called the Carnian pluvial event, was a period of major change in global climate that coincided with significant changes in Earth's biota both in the sea and on land. It occurred during the latter part of the Carnian Stage, the first subdivision of the Late Triassic Epoch, and lasted for perhaps 1–2 million years (around 234–232 million years ago).[6][7] Volcanic activity off the coast of North America led to global warming and increased rainfall on land, alongside a reduction of carbonate platforms in the oceans. Pluvial means "of or relating to rain; characterized by much rain, rainy."[8]

I am sure that all of our posters here are well aware that climate change has been a constant in the history of the Earth, but so many of the environmentalists seem to think we should (and could) (and must) stabilize the climate and never let it change from what it was a few decades ago.

Of course, the presence of billions of humans is a factor, but there are natural factors too. Do not discount them.