(10-08-2025 01:45 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This is a lot of wild-eyed speculation without citing credible sources. And some dude at a 247 site doesn't cut to the chase on credible. No doubt Belichick or Beli's chick has created tremendous stir. Some would say that there is no such thing as bad publicity because all of it gets you noticed. I'd say getting noticed for football at UNC is not necessarily a bad thing even though they are woeful. There is however a backdrop which is serious. There has been struggle among factions who want to chart UNC's future. Belichick has become, unwittingly, a political "football" that is being kicked around for political positioning. There will be a lot of drama and pooh flinging before this one is over.

This is a classic example of "It's not about what it is about."

This is a good post. I get hostilely called out and my fandom questioned because I think the guy should get a couple years, just like any coach. There are tabloid level hit pieces all over the place, because he has a young girlfriend and that bothers people.

Apparently, expectations have skyrocketed, and that's great—although kind of funny considering nobody cared at all under a national championship winning coach. I can't say I EVER remember this much stink about a 2-3 start in a coach's first season.

Regardless, the chancellor has already come out and stated he has his back for what appears to be at least two seasons.

"It's not the kind of thing that we judge after four games or even after one season,” Roberts said. "These things take time. We last won the conference championship in 1980, and so we have significant work to do, significant investment to make to get the program where we want it to be."

As I have previously stated, I cannot name a single UNC fan that I know who still supports Belichick. Every single one of them wants him gone.

I do agree that most college coaches need 3-4 years to rebuild a program. However, Belichick is not your typical coach and things have changed so much in recent years that 3-4 years should not be needed.

Belichick might be able to beat Cal next week, which would put him at 3-3 on the year... which honestly would not be that bad. If he can finish at 5-7 with all of the negative press, it could mean good things for the future of the program.

I just don't see that happening. I'm not sure that they have a winnable game left on the schedule and next week will probably confirm that.

Cant believe I actually defended keeping Belichick over Brady because I thought Brady was washed. Turns out it was the other way around.

(10-08-2025 02:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:34 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  Again I ask: could the ramifications effect any potential UNC moves in the future?

I am sure that there are those who would like to believe that it could impact a potential future move, but I have my doubts. A rogue trustee can be replaced but the trustees in general signed off on the hiring of Belichick. Then there are the issues within the administration which are where the factions are. Belichick is an easy target, but the portal alone does not a team make and to expect anyone to turn around the UNC football mess in one year without much of a headstart is unreasonable. Belichick is high profile so making a political football out of him is just an easy excuse for raising controversy. Remember any old coot seemingly being escorted by a lovely young ingenue gets to experience having his competency questioned and if it's working for him his ethics.

My hunch is that you're correct. However, if there's more to the story that we don't yet know about -something that brings great embarrassment to the university- I could see the university backing away from the idea of "P2 or bust" and choosing instead to focus on their status of being a Public Ivy who happens to play sports.

To add, it's also entirely possible that the NCBOG nor the state legislature want UNC to go anywhere... and this turmoil could give them the ammo they need to shoot down any notions to the contrary.

(10-08-2025 01:45 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This is a lot of wild-eyed speculation without citing credible sources. And some dude at a 247 site doesn't cut to the chase on credible. No doubt Belichick or Beli's chick has created tremendous stir. Some would say that there is no such thing as bad publicity because all of it gets you noticed. I'd say getting noticed for football at UNC is not necessarily a bad thing even though they are woeful. There is however a backdrop which is serious. There has been struggle among factions who want to chart UNC's future. Belichick has become, unwittingly, a political "football" that is being kicked around for political positioning. There will be a lot of drama and pooh flinging before this one is over.

This is a classic example of "It's not about what it is about."

This is a good post. I get hostilely called out and my fandom questioned because I think the guy should get a couple years, just like any coach. There are tabloid level hit pieces all over the place, because he has a young girlfriend and that bothers people.

Apparently, expectations have skyrocketed, and that's great—although kind of funny considering nobody cared at all under a national championship winning coach. I can't say I EVER remember this much stink about a 2-3 start in a coach's first season.

Regardless, the chancellor has already come out and stated he has his back for what appears to be at least two seasons.

"It's not the kind of thing that we judge after four games or even after one season,” Roberts said. "These things take time. We last won the conference championship in 1980, and so we have significant work to do, significant investment to make to get the program where we want it to be."

by all means, please keep him around.

Extend him for a few more years even.

Too bad UNCC is so woeful even they couldn't put up a fight this year.

At this point I might even advocate for our AD to sign a buy game with UNC if its for next year. Who knows if we won't suck but you can't not try to get another win.

(10-08-2025 03:01 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  My hunch is that you're correct. However, if there's more to the story that we don't yet know about -something that brings great embarrassment to the university- I could see the university backing away from the idea of "P2 or bust" and choosing instead to focus on their status of being a Public Ivy who happens to play sports.

To add, it's also entirely possible that the NCBOG nor the state legislature want UNC to go anywhere... and this turmoil could give them the ammo they need to shoot down any notions to the contrary.

Except that its public Ivy peers (Michigan, Texas, Florida, etc.) are already succeeding at the highest level. I don't see the BOG allowing UNC to become the next William & Mary.

https://www.wral.com/sports/belichick-co...-oct-2025/

Interesting read on the subject.

"Multiple sources with knowledge of the inner workings of Bill Belichick's program say that UNC football's losses are a product of a divided locker room, a disorganized coaching staff and a failure to communicate."

I get why the NC fans are upset, but... really?

Bad football at NC is more tradition than disappointment.

(10-08-2025 03:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  https://www.wral.com/sports/belichick-co...-oct-2025/

Interesting read on the subject.

Professional coaches don't deal with individual personalities, especially not their parents, and aloofness is part of control at many franchises. But like the pros Belichick will answer to those over him.

I really don't think you can read too much into yet. Bear Bryant ran off a good portion of the team at Texas A&M when he took over using the Juction practices to thin the herd. Later at Alabama he would do something similar but less severe to get rid of the mindset that had existed under Whitworth.

Belichick likely considers this approach to be a winnowing of the kinds of players and attitudes he doesn't want on the team. It has the same impact as Bear's Junction practices only without the physical harshness. Saban did the same with the batch he inherited at Bama.

If the same things are going on next year that's a different matter. Professors and coaches don't need or want helicopter parents hoovering over their progeny like an agent. And entitlement is epidemic today and with it discipline.

UNC got in for many more pounds than pennies. Making the call after next year seems to be in order at that level of investment.


Edit: Finebaum just reported that Belichick is willing to discuss his buyout with UNC but wants a soft landing with another job or a media position. Finebaum added that Belichick took a week's vacation during UNC's bye week and was unavailable to discuss matters with the other coaches. He described the comments about his last couple of sessions with coaches and the team as weird.

If Belichick is in some state of mental deterioration that puts this whole topic in another light. And IMO, increases the likelihood he could be replaced this early. These matters are greater than disgruntled players and parents. We'll see.

(10-08-2025 03:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  https://www.wral.com/sports/belichick-co...-oct-2025/

Interesting read on the subject.

"Multiple sources with knowledge of the inner workings of Bill Belichick's program say that UNC football's losses are a product of a divided locker room, a disorganized coaching staff and a failure to communicate."

…which were primarily the same reasons why he had losing seasons three of the last four years in New England with a 29-38 record. And poor talent evaluation as a GM which seems to be carrying over to Carolina. Bill knows best.

https://x.com/OllieConnolly/status/1976021814905332067

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Per sources: Bill Belichick has discussed buyout options with North Carolina’s hierarchy. Belichick has signalled a willingness to trigger his own $1 million buyout if he can find a soft landing with another team or in media

(10-08-2025 01:04 PM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 12:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 12:56 PM)UConnFB Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 12:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I imagine the buyout would be immense.

And anyway, BB hasn't really had a chance to bring in his players, so to speak. He was hired late in the recruiting and portal cycle.

So if he isn't the coach next season, I would guess it would be because he chose not to come back, rather than being fired.

That's why you terminate him for negligence. They don't have to pay the full buyout.

But of course you have to prove negligence, and if anyone has evidence for that it hasn't been made known to us. I don't know of any reason to say he's been negligent.

That can be risky, see Kevin Ollie. Just because the coach was negligent doesn't mean you can prove it.

But like someone on Sirius just said, in this day if a buyout is keeping you from firing a coach then you aren't serious about college football. That sounds ridiculous but it's probably true. This is obviously a terrible fit.

The results have been farcical so far, and I am enjoying it, lol. Don't want it to end.

The elephant in the room is the manifestation of societal jealousy. It drives so many men crazy that a 73-year-old has a romance story with a hot chick out of college, so they will stop at no ends to spend 15 hours a day online demanding his firing and attacking Jordon Hudson. The witchhunt is on and it’s Belichik/Jordon Hudson vs the world.

(10-08-2025 02:55 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:45 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This is a lot of wild-eyed speculation without citing credible sources. And some dude at a 247 site doesn't cut to the chase on credible. No doubt Belichick or Beli's chick has created tremendous stir. Some would say that there is no such thing as bad publicity because all of it gets you noticed. I'd say getting noticed for football at UNC is not necessarily a bad thing even though they are woeful. There is however a backdrop which is serious. There has been struggle among factions who want to chart UNC's future. Belichick has become, unwittingly, a political "football" that is being kicked around for political positioning. There will be a lot of drama and pooh flinging before this one is over.

This is a classic example of "It's not about what it is about."

This is a good post. I get hostilely called out and my fandom questioned because I think the guy should get a couple years, just like any coach. There are tabloid level hit pieces all over the place, because he has a young girlfriend and that bothers people.

Apparently, expectations have skyrocketed, and that's great—although kind of funny considering nobody cared at all under a national championship winning coach. I can't say I EVER remember this much stink about a 2-3 start in a coach's first season.

Regardless, the chancellor has already come out and stated he has his back for what appears to be at least two seasons.

"It's not the kind of thing that we judge after four games or even after one season,” Roberts said. "These things take time. We last won the conference championship in 1980, and so we have significant work to do, significant investment to make to get the program where we want it to be."

As I have previously stated, I cannot name a single UNC fan that I know who still supports Belichick. Every single one of them wants him gone.

I do agree that most college coaches need 3-4 years to rebuild a program. However, Belichick is not your typical coach and things have changed so much in recent years that 3-4 years should not be needed.

Belichick might be able to beat Cal next week, which would put him at 3-3 on the year... which honestly would not be that bad. If he can finish at 5-7 with all of the negative press, it could mean good things for the future of the program.

I just don't see that happening. I'm not sure that they have a winnable game left on the schedule and next week will probably confirm that.

I guess I just went into this hire not expecting an immediate turnaround. He has the #15 recruiting class coming in next season. I want to see him for a couple years. The tabloid stories don’t bother me.

However, I also didn’t want to see Mack Brown run out of town.

(10-08-2025 04:47 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  The elephant in the room is the manifestation of societal jealousy. It drives so many men crazy that a 73-year-old has a romance story with a hot chick out of college, so they will stop at no ends to spend 15 hours a day online demanding his firing and attacking Jordon Hudson. The witchhunt is on and it’s Belichik/Jordon Hudson vs the world.

I think you’re onto something. Could you imagine if people knew how many coaches had their wives, kids, and friends on the sidelines before and even during games?

(10-08-2025 01:32 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This is a lot of wild-eyed speculation without citing credible sources. And some dude at a 247 site doesn't cut to the chase on credible. No doubt Belichick or Beli's chick has created tremendous stir. Some would say that there is no such thing as bad publicity because all of it gets you noticed. I'd say getting noticed for football at UNC is not necessarily a bad thing even though they are woeful. There is however a backdrop which is serious. There has been struggle among factions who want to chart UNC's future. Belichick has become, unwittingly, a political "football" that is being kicked around for political positioning. There will be a lot of drama and pooh flinging before this one is over.

This is a classic example of "It's not about what it is about."

I don't think that this is wild-eyed speculation. I can't speak for Andrew Jones but can say with 100% certainty that Stephen Igoe at ECU's 247 site (Hoist The Colours) is reputable and if he reports something you can guarantee that it's accurate.

I've met former football staffers (admins) in the past year who are still working at the university. They were disgusted before the summer (the women in particular hated Jordan of course) and they are undoubtedly more disgusted now.

Let's hear the case for "negligence". I'm not saying that there isn't one, but an ECU guy, even one who is above reproach, probably isn't the best source for claims that UNC is trying to build a case to fire their coach.

FWIW, every coach with a significant buyout is constantly under scrutiny. Every coach with a significant buyout and a losing record is under a whole lot more. Boosters, enemies in-house, rivals, you name, they all want dirt on State U's coach. But, as many others have stated in this thread, it's one to say that "someone is pursuing a case of negligence to fire the coach after 5 whole games" and quite another to say "the actual decision makers at State U have proof that the coach has been negligent b/c of these specific things that he's done, we're firing him over these specific negligent things, and we're not paying his buyout". Even using the term "negligent" displays a remarkable lack of inside knowledge of the situation, or at least a lack of knowledge by the leakers/people trying to prove negligence. It's far easier to prove violations of character provisions than negligence. Think Bobby Petrino at Arkansas (the first time) or Mel Tucker at Michigan St. Coaches do boneheaded things like that all the time, but they only come up when/if the school wants to fire said coach. In fact, I don't recall the last time I heard a school successfully manage to weasel out of a coach's buyout due to "negligence".

(10-08-2025 01:45 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This is a lot of wild-eyed speculation without citing credible sources. And some dude at a 247 site doesn't cut to the chase on credible. No doubt Belichick or Beli's chick has created tremendous stir. Some would say that there is no such thing as bad publicity because all of it gets you noticed. I'd say getting noticed for football at UNC is not necessarily a bad thing even though they are woeful. There is however a backdrop which is serious. There has been struggle among factions who want to chart UNC's future. Belichick has become, unwittingly, a political "football" that is being kicked around for political positioning. There will be a lot of drama and pooh flinging before this one is over.

This is a classic example of "It's not about what it is about."

This is a good post. I get hostilely called out and my fandom questioned because I think the guy should get a couple years, just like any coach. There are tabloid level hit pieces all over the place, because he has a young girlfriend and that bothers people.

Apparently, expectations have skyrocketed, and that's great—although kind of funny considering nobody cared at all under a national championship winning coach. I can't say I EVER remember this much stink about a 2-3 start in a coach's first season.

Regardless, the chancellor has already come out and stated he has his back for what appears to be at least two seasons.

"It's not the kind of thing that we judge after four games or even after one season,” Roberts said. "These things take time. We last won the conference championship in 1980, and so we have significant work to do, significant investment to make to get the program where we want it to be."

Such a logical and carefully considered post has no place in this thread. Shame on you!

This just seems extremely unfounded. I get that a lot of people had high expectations because he is a former NFL coach and arguably one of the most successful. But let's not pretend like this is not UNC that we're talking about.

They have been playing football for like 135 years and have never won a championship. And they have a all-time losing record in bowl games. Their problems didn't start with a first year head coach.

(10-08-2025 04:55 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:45 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This is a lot of wild-eyed speculation without citing credible sources. And some dude at a 247 site doesn't cut to the chase on credible. No doubt Belichick or Beli's chick has created tremendous stir. Some would say that there is no such thing as bad publicity because all of it gets you noticed. I'd say getting noticed for football at UNC is not necessarily a bad thing even though they are woeful. There is however a backdrop which is serious. There has been struggle among factions who want to chart UNC's future. Belichick has become, unwittingly, a political "football" that is being kicked around for political positioning. There will be a lot of drama and pooh flinging before this one is over.

This is a classic example of "It's not about what it is about."

This is a good post. I get hostilely called out and my fandom questioned because I think the guy should get a couple years, just like any coach. There are tabloid level hit pieces all over the place, because he has a young girlfriend and that bothers people.

Apparently, expectations have skyrocketed, and that's great—although kind of funny considering nobody cared at all under a national championship winning coach. I can't say I EVER remember this much stink about a 2-3 start in a coach's first season.

Regardless, the chancellor has already come out and stated he has his back for what appears to be at least two seasons.

"It's not the kind of thing that we judge after four games or even after one season,” Roberts said. "These things take time. We last won the conference championship in 1980, and so we have significant work to do, significant investment to make to get the program where we want it to be."

Such a logical and carefully considered post has no place in this thread. Shame on you!

You all need to read the EDIT i attached to my last post above. Finebaum broke more information which paints this quite differently.

(10-08-2025 04:33 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  https://x.com/OllieConnolly/status/1976021814905332067

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Per sources: Bill Belichick has discussed buyout options with North Carolina’s hierarchy. Belichick has signalled a willingness to trigger his own $1 million buyout if he can find a soft landing with another team or in media

Well if UTEP would take him… I’d say that would be the only soft landing there is for him in coaching right now. UNC is too high profile for him. He needs to go out west and focus. I’m not trolling. I’m dead serious. Like a Bobby Knight to Texas Tech kind of a thing.

(10-08-2025 02:55 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:45 PM)Dr Dawgma III Wrote:  

(10-08-2025 01:11 PM)JRsec Wrote:  This is a lot of wild-eyed speculation without citing credible sources. And some dude at a 247 site doesn't cut to the chase on credible. No doubt Belichick or Beli's chick has created tremendous stir. Some would say that there is no such thing as bad publicity because all of it gets you noticed. I'd say getting noticed for football at UNC is not necessarily a bad thing even though they are woeful. There is however a backdrop which is serious. There has been struggle among factions who want to chart UNC's future. Belichick has become, unwittingly, a political "football" that is being kicked around for political positioning. There will be a lot of drama and pooh flinging before this one is over.

This is a classic example of "It's not about what it is about."

This is a good post. I get hostilely called out and my fandom questioned because I think the guy should get a couple years, just like any coach. There are tabloid level hit pieces all over the place, because he has a young girlfriend and that bothers people.

Apparently, expectations have skyrocketed, and that's great—although kind of funny considering nobody cared at all under a national championship winning coach. I can't say I EVER remember this much stink about a 2-3 start in a coach's first season.

Regardless, the chancellor has already come out and stated he has his back for what appears to be at least two seasons.

"It's not the kind of thing that we judge after four games or even after one season,” Roberts said. "These things take time. We last won the conference championship in 1980, and so we have significant work to do, significant investment to make to get the program where we want it to be."

As I have previously stated, I cannot name a single UNC fan that I know who still supports Belichick. Every single one of them wants him gone.

I do agree that most college coaches need 3-4 years to rebuild a program. However, Belichick is not your typical coach and things have changed so much in recent years that 3-4 years should not be needed.

Belichick might be able to beat Cal next week, which would put him at 3-3 on the year... which honestly would not be that bad. If he can finish at 5-7 with all of the negative press, it could mean good things for the future of the program.

I just don't see that happening. I'm not sure that they have a winnable game left on the schedule and next week will probably confirm that.

The very fact that so many in UNC circles are discussing this is huge imo. When was the last time that football was so overwhelmingly important that you guys wanted to run a coach out of town after a 2-3 start? You know where that sort of thing happens? FLORIDA. Right now. 2-3 start, and Napier's seat is red hot. What's my takeaway? UNC is practically already in the SEC!