One of the most common mistakes people make on this is saying Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant and its not longer in effect.

That is absolutly true but the key mistake here is there is more than just ONE Old testament covenant. There is the Noahic Covenant, the Abrahamic Covenant, The Mosaic Covenant and the Davidic Covenant. 3 of these are eternal, 1 was temporary and conditional.

The Abrahamic covenant and Mosaic Covenant are given 400 years apart and are completely separate with separate promises and conditions. The Mosaic Covenant was always temporary and totally conditional based on the Jews obedience to the law and God. This covenant is the OT law given by Moses. Jesus fulfilled this covenant by ushering in the New Covenant through His shed Blood. The entire NT teaches this, how Jesus fulfilled the OT law and now we are under the New Covenant.

The Abrahmic covenant was never temporary or conditional, it was solely about the land being promised to Abrahams physical descendants and it is ETERNAL. The Hebrew/Jews were never required to keep this covenant, Only God was bound to keep this and He made it eternal.

Genesis 17:7-8
7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

To further show this, in Genesis 15 God had Abraham make a sacrifice and divide the pieces against and across from each other. This was the OT custom to make a covenant where both parties would walk between the pieces to show they were binding themselves to keep this covenant. But God put Abraham in deep sleep and only God walked through the pieces showing that only God was bound to keep and hold this Covenant by His Word. Abraham and his descendants were never bound, it was always an eternal promise from God that He would never eternally break.

God would judge and punish them for their wickedness, but He would never fully break this covenant.

Kyle, all that happened to Jesus was prophesied by God. That was his plan to give man redemption from their sin. You can read it on Isaiah 53 and play close attention to verse 10 of book.

"But it was the Lords' good plan to crush Him and cause Him grief. Isaiah 53:10.

God knew what was to ensue and because He loved man he gave them a way to redeem themselves from sin. Man doesn't have to slaughter a perfect lamb anymore, Jesus became that perfect lamb and His death complied with that mandate. That's why when Jesus drew his last breath he said, "it is finished" meaning he knew he had died for our sins and we didn't need to sacrifice any more animals in the temples.

The reason Jews are looking for the perfect heifer now and wanting to build the last temple is because they are Jewish and have not accepted Jesus and think that they still need animal sacrifice. Messianic Jews know better because they have accepted Christ as their Savior and know we don't need any more sacrifices.

(06-24-2025 07:12 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Kyle, all that happened to Jesus was prophesied by God. That was his plan to give man redemption from their sin. You can read it on Isaiah 53 and play close attention to verse 10 of book.

"But it was the Lords' good plan to crush Him and cause Him grief. Isaiah 53:10.

God knew what was to ensue and because He loved man he gave them a way to redeem themselves from sin. Man doesn't have to slaughter a perfect lamb anymore, Jesus became that perfect lamb and His death complied with that mandate. That's why when Jesus drew his last breath he said, "it is finished" meaning he knew he had died for our sins and we didn't need to sacrifice any more animals in the temples.

The reason Jews are looking for the perfect heifer now and wanting to build the last temple is because they are Jewish and have not accepted Jesus and think that they still need animal sacrifice. Messianic Jews know better because they have accepted Christ as their Savior and know we don't need any more sacrifices.

100% spot on

You people are are Jew Isael first. Good to know. Retards as well.

(06-24-2025 06:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  One of the most common mistakes people make on this is saying Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant and its not longer in effect.

That is absolutly true but the key mistake here is there is more than just ONE Old testament covenant. There is the Noahic Covenant, the Abrahamic Covenant, The Mosaic Covenant and the Davidic Covenant. 3 of these are eternal, 1 was temporary and conditional.

The Abrahamic covenant and Mosaic Covenant are given 400 years apart and are completely separate with separate promises and conditions. The Mosaic Covenant was always temporary and totally conditional based on the Jews obedience to the law and God. This covenant is the OT law given by Moses. Jesus fulfilled this covenant by ushering in the New Covenant through His shed Blood. The entire NT teaches this, how Jesus fulfilled the OT law and now we are under the New Covenant.

The Abrahmic covenant was never temporary or conditional, it was solely about the land being promised to Abrahams descendants and it is ETERNAL. The Hebrew/Jews were never required to keep this covenant, Only God was bound to keep this and He made it eternal.

Genesis 17:7-8
7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

To further show this, in Genesis 15 God had Abraham make a sacrifice and divide the pieces against and across from each other. This was the OT custom to make a covenant where both parties would walk between the pieces to show they were binding themselves to keep this covenant. But God put Abraham in deep sleep and only God walked through the pieces showing that only God was bound to keep and hold this Covenant by His Word. Abraham and his descendants were never bound, it was always an eternal promise from God that He would never eternally break.

God would judge and punish them for their wickedness, but He would never fully break this covenant.

No mention of 1948 retard.

(06-24-2025 04:34 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  Dispensationalism and Christian Zionism is a scam kiddos.

with those words I can tell you're a Reddit poster. Go back there with your craziness.

(06-24-2025 08:17 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 06:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  One of the most common mistakes people make on this is saying Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant and its not longer in effect.

That is absolutly true but the key mistake here is there is more than just ONE Old testament covenant. There is the Noahic Covenant, the Abrahamic Covenant, The Mosaic Covenant and the Davidic Covenant. 3 of these are eternal, 1 was temporary and conditional.

The Abrahamic covenant and Mosaic Covenant are given 400 years apart and are completely separate with separate promises and conditions. The Mosaic Covenant was always temporary and totally conditional based on the Jews obedience to the law and God. This covenant is the OT law given by Moses. Jesus fulfilled this covenant by ushering in the New Covenant through His shed Blood. The entire NT teaches this, how Jesus fulfilled the OT law and now we are under the New Covenant.

The Abrahmic covenant was never temporary or conditional, it was solely about the land being promised to Abrahams descendants and it is ETERNAL. The Hebrew/Jews were never required to keep this covenant, Only God was bound to keep this and He made it eternal.

Genesis 17:7-8
7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

To further show this, in Genesis 15 God had Abraham make a sacrifice and divide the pieces against and across from each other. This was the OT custom to make a covenant where both parties would walk between the pieces to show they were binding themselves to keep this covenant. But God put Abraham in deep sleep and only God walked through the pieces showing that only God was bound to keep and hold this Covenant by His Word. Abraham and his descendants were never bound, it was always an eternal promise from God that He would never eternally break.

God would judge and punish them for their wickedness, but He would never fully break this covenant.

No mention of 1948 retard.

Because it wasn't fulfilled in 1948 you pickled douche.

The Mosaic covenant was fulfilled 2000 years ago, the Abraham covenant is eternal and has been since nearly 4000 years ago.

You didn't even remotely understand what was said.

(06-24-2025 08:15 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  You people are are Jew Isael first. Good to know. Retards as well.

Lies and more lies are all you have to offer, you pathetic loser.

I never wanted us involved in this war and I'm glad we stayed out of 99% of it. Thank God for Trump sticking with America first and only getting involved to end it.

(06-24-2025 06:36 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  One of the most common mistakes people make on this is saying Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant and its not longer in effect.

That is absolutly true but the key mistake here is there is more than just ONE Old testament covenant. There is the Noahic Covenant, the Abrahamic Covenant, The Mosaic Covenant and the Davidic Covenant. 3 of these are eternal, 1 was temporary and conditional.

The Abrahamic covenant and Mosaic Covenant are given 400 years apart and are completely separate with separate promises and conditions. The Mosaic Covenant was always temporary and totally conditional based on the Jews obedience to the law and God. This covenant is the OT law given by Moses. Jesus fulfilled this covenant by ushering in the New Covenant through His shed Blood. The entire NT teaches this, how Jesus fulfilled the OT law and now we are under the New Covenant.

The Abrahmic covenant was never temporary or conditional, it was solely about the land being promised to Abrahams physical descendants and it is ETERNAL. The Hebrew/Jews were never required to keep this covenant, Only God was bound to keep this and He made it eternal.

Genesis 17:7-8
7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

To further show this, in Genesis 15 God had Abraham make a sacrifice and divide the pieces against and across from each other. This was the OT custom to make a covenant where both parties would walk between the pieces to show they were binding themselves to keep this covenant. But God put Abraham in deep sleep and only God walked through the pieces showing that only God was bound to keep and hold this Covenant by His Word. Abraham and his descendants were never bound, it was always an eternal promise from God that He would never eternally break.

God would judge and punish them for their wickedness, but He would never fully break this covenant.

Ok considering all the intermixing over the past few thousand years who's really Jewish?

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(06-24-2025 08:35 PM)b2b Wrote:  Ok considering all the intermixing over the past few thousand years who's really Jewish?

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It doesn't really matter, God is the one who will sort it out in the end, just as he sorts out our salvation person by person even though we are scattered amongst billions of people. There were a huge mixture of people there throughout the 2nd temple period.

The Bible never said they were coming back as a pure blood race. It said just the opposite, that they would come back as a mixed people having been living and mixing among the Gentiles across the earth for nearly 2000 years. 2500 years for some of them.

Even Jesus' bloodline was mixed with prostitutes and Moabites and other Gentiles.

God also said there would never be a fake nation of Israel living in the Land. He said when they were being judged and in diaspora that the land would lie mostly desolate and rest awaiting for when they would return. Its filled and thriving more today than at any time since the days of Solomon. But its not going to last, as Ezekiel says at the moment when they are at the most peace and feeling the most safe, the end will begin. And their darkest hour will come upon them, one that only God can save them from once they finally call out to Jesus as their Messiah. The OT calls it the Time of Jacobs trouble (the great tribulation in the NT) and millions of them are going to die in their stubbornness and sin before it ends. But they will turn to and accept Jesus in the end.

There is no way I could post all those verses, but here are a few snippets:


Hosea 5
14 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, and like a young lion to the house of Judah.
I, even I, will tear them and go away; I will take them away, and no one shall rescue.
15 I will return again to My place, Till they acknowledge their offense.
Then they will seek My face; In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.

Matthew 23:39
“For I say unto you (Jerusalem), Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”

Zechariah 12
2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon (Armageddon).

(06-24-2025 08:15 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  You people are are Jew Isael first. Good to know. Retards as well.

What do you have against Jewish people?

he's another Redditor, gets his views there 450

This is absolutely glorious.

(06-24-2025 08:58 PM)450bench Wrote:  

(06-24-2025 08:15 PM)Kyle Mack Wrote:  You people are are Jew Isael first. Good to know. Retards as well.

What do you have against Jewish people?

Social media told him the Jews were bad.

The Star Wars scroll is great! AOC probably should just stick to slinging beer and not try to match wits with Trump. I mean, we all enjoy it and laugh at what an absolute moronic airhead she is, but for her sake, she should just stop. Same goes for the fake Indian, Pocahontas

(06-25-2025 07:25 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  The Star Wars scroll is great! AOC probably should just stick to slinging beer and not try to match wits with Trump. I mean, we all enjoy it and laugh at what an absolute moronic airhead she is, but for her sake, she should just stop. Same goes for the fake Indian, Pocahontas

Well, all I can say is she's as smart as the Pimp and as patriotic as Ilhan.

"Bomb Iran", ah! A classic!