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(01-05-2025 03:12 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  
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(01-05-2025 09:38 AM)DuelingDragon Wrote:  Almost every year there is an “athlete” transfer who gets buried on the bench or quits by January. Maybe stop with that strategy and give the spot to a true 3-point specialist or a pass-and-defend facilitating PG?

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+1000000… maybe will learn a lesson with his recruiting now. 2 years in a row this has happened. We’ve had multiple other guys leave mid season or basically be benched but stay on and not help… those aRe super valuable roster spots.

I will say that Ortiz felt like he was headed in that direction, but he stayed and actually made an impact. I get that his minutes would have been limited here, but he could have really helped this team out.

I also agree that those two types of players are guys we should be able to recruit. Broom played a role on those anderson teams where it felt like he sat in the corner and knocked down open threes. He played 10ish minutes a night, but he was good at what he did. We could definitely use that.

Also, and semblance of a guy who will pass and defend would be so nice. A pass first pg is a great option to have, and I’d love to surround him with the talent we have currently.
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Gene always believed you had to have a good point guard to be an extension of the coach and put players in the right position. I hope McGee develops into that. I did notice that he was the most vocal he has ever been and the team communicated more on defense than they ever have.
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I think he will ultimately be a good player. But as we saw last year, dudes aren’t just going to come from Juco and be ready to go day 1. I’ve actually thought Kennedy has done a great job pivoting and getting guys in Juco that are going almost overlooked the past few seasons. Now he needs to pivot back to the portal and find a guy who can play d and has a high a/t ratio. Those guys aren’t going to be recruited by the world because they aren’t scoring 20 a game.
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Jason Edwards had no issue last year. Maybe he's the exception but there are JUCO players who can play day 1

AK should also look at some D2, Drake has 4 of them and they're 12-3 with a possible at large bid. Granted they have a better coach than AK but they can still play.

On the topic of the 3pt shooter role AK did recruit some of those types but he never played them or they sucked. Jamal Johnson and Tyler Bertram come to mind
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I think McGhee is quite good. He just needs to be more assertive (sound familiar?) and grow into his role. The way he can drive to the basket and physically bully smaller guards reminds me of AJ, except he’s like 5-6 inches taller.

I think he’s been relatively underutilized (again, sound familiar?). Only 16 minutes against UNT - what is up with that?!
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Some juco guys are ready day 1. I think it’s more of an AK teams aren’t ready day 1 issue. But yeah, most of them have an adjustment period.
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I'll make this easy. We cannot afford JUCO guys that are ready day one. Our meager NIL is one of the frustrations AK is dealing with.
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(01-06-2025 10:24 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I think he will ultimately be a good player. But as we saw last year, dudes aren’t just going to come from Juco and be ready to go day 1. I’ve actually thought Kennedy has done a great job pivoting and getting guys in Juco that are going almost overlooked the past few seasons. Now he needs to pivot back to the portal and find a guy who can play d and has a high a/t ratio. Those guys aren’t going to be recruited by the world because they aren’t scoring 20 a game.

I've never had a problem with Kennedy's ability to attract and (more importantly these days) retain talent with limited resources. We're unlikely to get the perfect player ever again (the days when we compete with UAT and Auburn for talent are just over), but we usually have very good talent, and we don't seem to lose the ones we want to keep at the rate some other programs suffer. That's a testament to Kennedy's specific skills that are, frankly, perfect at this level. McGhee is very good and getting better; he's just not a perfect traditional point guard. Ezewiro was an important addition, and he's going to be even more critical in conference play, but he has flaws that are the reason we got him and he's not a rotation guy at Tennessee. And Kennedy is going to miss on some like Gordon, because every guy in the portal is looking for something to make them money either now or in the future. When they get to a place and it doesn't seem like it's going to work out (and he struggled mightily early), some personalities just walk out. This is going to happen every single year from now on, because Kennedy (for better or worse) will take chances because he has to in this new NIL/portal world.

And I've heard Kennedy talk about his own frustrations with the schedule, so I cut him some slack on that. He got very frustrated in a meeting when someone suggested he should bring better teams to Bartow, and he said, "Alright. You do it; you're in charge since you think it's so easy. I'll play anybody you can find who will come here. Guys, the teams you're thinking about...they won't come."

So the caveat to what I'm about to say is...I'm glad he's here, and I know we can't do better. But my issue is in-game coaching decisions, and it has been since the day he arrived. These are not new problems. And let's recap: We were down 14 to Vermont and 16 against Middle. At home. And we still should have won both those games after massive comebacks. We had 8 point leads against Longwood and Illinois State and blew them late. We had a TWENTY-SEVEN point lead against Arkansas State and lost by NINE. At home. And we had an 18 point lead against North Texas, which is a good team. The issue isn't talent. We have players good enough to dominate at times. They're "ready" enough to blow people's doors off for parts of every single game we've played this year. We can, of course, blame the players to some extent for these collapses because good players handle pressure better than we have, and basketball is certainly a game of runs in the best case. But good coaches don't blow leads (or get down huge early) like this over and over again year after year with different players. I don't know what needs to change, and I was encouraged that we came out and dominated the second half against Tulsa after a great first half. AK's teams do generally seem to finish seasons better than they start.

Maybe he needs to go the way some NFL coaches do and give up some in-game decision making and concentrate on leadership and management at a high level. Because he seems very very good at that part of the job. Maybe there are no better options on the bench to handle that responsibility. But we'd be roughly 13-2 if we could play 40 minutes like we've played 30 in every game this year. We cannot continue to collapse and blame it on the players when there's only been one common denominator these past five years.

(And also when your best player is an incredibly talented passive beta who will probably be better in the NBA than college you have a problem that is very difficult to solve. Vasquez is the only one who might be able to fix it because he clearly thinks he's the best player on the court and sometimes is.)
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(01-06-2025 11:41 AM)freeblazer Wrote:  
(01-06-2025 10:24 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I think he will ultimately be a good player. But as we saw last year, dudes aren’t just going to come from Juco and be ready to go day 1. I’ve actually thought Kennedy has done a great job pivoting and getting guys in Juco that are going almost overlooked the past few seasons. Now he needs to pivot back to the portal and find a guy who can play d and has a high a/t ratio. Those guys aren’t going to be recruited by the world because they aren’t scoring 20 a game.

I've never had a problem with Kennedy's ability to attract and (more importantly these days) retain talent with limited resources. We're unlikely to get the perfect player ever again (the days when we compete with UAT and Auburn for talent are just over), but we usually have very good talent, and we don't seem to lose the ones we want to keep at the rate some other programs suffer. That's a testament to Kennedy's specific skills that are, frankly, perfect at this level. McGhee is very good and getting better; he's just not a perfect traditional point guard. Ezewiro was an important addition, and he's going to be even more critical in conference play, but he has flaws that are the reason we got him and he's not a rotation guy at Tennessee. And Kennedy is going to miss on some like Gordon, because every guy in the portal is looking for something to make them money either now or in the future. When they get to a place and it doesn't seem like it's going to work out (and he struggled mightily early), some personalities just walk out. This is going to happen every single year from now on, because Kennedy (for better or worse) will take chances because he has to in this new NIL/portal world.

And I've heard Kennedy talk about his own frustrations with the schedule, so I cut him some slack on that. He got very frustrated in a meeting when someone suggested he should bring better teams to Bartow, and he said, "Alright. You do it; you're in charge since you think it's so easy. I'll play anybody you can find who will come here. Guys, the teams you're thinking about...they won't come."

So the caveat to what I'm about to say is...I'm glad he's here, and I know we can't do better. But my issue is in-game coaching decisions, and it has been since the day he arrived. These are not new problems. And let's recap: We were down 14 to Vermont and 16 against Middle. At home. And we still should have won both those games after massive comebacks. We had 8 point leads against Longwood and Illinois State and blew them late. We had a TWENTY-SEVEN point lead against Arkansas State and lost by NINE. At home. And we had an 18 point lead against North Texas, which is a good team. The issue isn't talent. We have players good enough to dominate at times. They're "ready" enough to blow people's doors off for parts of every single game we've played this year. We can, of course, blame the players to some extent for these collapses because good players handle pressure better than we have, and basketball is certainly a game of runs in the best case. But good coaches don't blow leads (or get down huge early) like this over and over again year after year with different players. I don't know what needs to change, and I was encouraged that we came out and dominated the second half against Tulsa after a great first half. AK's teams do generally seem to finish seasons better than they start.

Maybe he needs to go the way some NFL coaches do and give up some in-game decision making and concentrate on leadership and management at a high level. Because he seems very very good at that part of the job. Maybe there are no better options on the bench to handle that responsibility. But we'd be roughly 13-2 if we could play 40 minutes like we've played 30 in every game this year. We cannot continue to collapse and blame it on the players when there's only been one common denominator these past five years.

(And also when your best player is an incredibly talented passive beta who will probably be better in the NBA than college you have a problem that is very difficult to solve. Vasquez is the only one who might be able to fix it because he clearly thinks he's the best player on the court and sometimes is.)


Thank you for saying this. I completely agree. Well said. Sometimes I made out to be crazy for saying the same thing.

And this isn't the only year we lost leads, or started the season slow, or lost WTF games out of nowhere late in the season. These have been problems basically every year he's been here, outside of maybe year one (which is weird, bc AK said it was his least talented team he's coached.). The problems have been more pronounced this season, and last, but to say they weren't present for both of Jelly's teams is a misstatement.
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I don't mind AK but there are better coaches out there at our level and lower
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(01-06-2025 12:35 PM)UABrandon Wrote:  I don't mind AK but there are better coaches out there at our level and lower

Too bad our AD would hire Detlef Schrempf if Andy leaves
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(01-06-2025 12:35 PM)UABrandon Wrote:  I don't mind AK but there are better coaches out there at our level and lower

Too bad our AD would hire Detlef Schrempf if Andy leaves

To an extent this is no joke.
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(01-06-2025 01:13 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  
(01-06-2025 12:52 PM)Trmp120 Wrote:  
(01-06-2025 12:35 PM)UABrandon Wrote:  I don't mind AK but there are better coaches out there at our level and lower

Too bad our AD would hire Detlef Schrempf if Andy leaves

To an extent this is no joke.

That is a name I have not heard in a long time lol... Makes me think of NBA Jam.
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(01-06-2025 01:34 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  
(01-06-2025 01:13 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  
(01-06-2025 12:52 PM)Trmp120 Wrote:  
(01-06-2025 12:35 PM)UABrandon Wrote:  I don't mind AK but there are better coaches out there at our level and lower

Too bad our AD would hire Detlef Schrempf if Andy leaves

To an extent this is no joke.

That is a name I have not heard in a long time lol... Makes me think of NBA Jam.

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(01-06-2025 12:28 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  
(01-06-2025 11:41 AM)freeblazer Wrote:  
(01-06-2025 10:24 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I think he will ultimately be a good player. But as we saw last year, dudes aren’t just going to come from Juco and be ready to go day 1. I’ve actually thought Kennedy has done a great job pivoting and getting guys in Juco that are going almost overlooked the past few seasons. Now he needs to pivot back to the portal and find a guy who can play d and has a high a/t ratio. Those guys aren’t going to be recruited by the world because they aren’t scoring 20 a game.

I've never had a problem with Kennedy's ability to attract and (more importantly these days) retain talent with limited resources. We're unlikely to get the perfect player ever again (the days when we compete with UAT and Auburn for talent are just over), but we usually have very good talent, and we don't seem to lose the ones we want to keep at the rate some other programs suffer. That's a testament to Kennedy's specific skills that are, frankly, perfect at this level. McGhee is very good and getting better; he's just not a perfect traditional point guard. Ezewiro was an important addition, and he's going to be even more critical in conference play, but he has flaws that are the reason we got him and he's not a rotation guy at Tennessee. And Kennedy is going to miss on some like Gordon, because every guy in the portal is looking for something to make them money either now or in the future. When they get to a place and it doesn't seem like it's going to work out (and he struggled mightily early), some personalities just walk out. This is going to happen every single year from now on, because Kennedy (for better or worse) will take chances because he has to in this new NIL/portal world.

And I've heard Kennedy talk about his own frustrations with the schedule, so I cut him some slack on that. He got very frustrated in a meeting when someone suggested he should bring better teams to Bartow, and he said, "Alright. You do it; you're in charge since you think it's so easy. I'll play anybody you can find who will come here. Guys, the teams you're thinking about...they won't come."

So the caveat to what I'm about to say is...I'm glad he's here, and I know we can't do better. But my issue is in-game coaching decisions, and it has been since the day he arrived. These are not new problems. And let's recap: We were down 14 to Vermont and 16 against Middle. At home. And we still should have won both those games after massive comebacks. We had 8 point leads against Longwood and Illinois State and blew them late. We had a TWENTY-SEVEN point lead against Arkansas State and lost by NINE. At home. And we had an 18 point lead against North Texas, which is a good team. The issue isn't talent. We have players good enough to dominate at times. They're "ready" enough to blow people's doors off for parts of every single game we've played this year. We can, of course, blame the players to some extent for these collapses because good players handle pressure better than we have, and basketball is certainly a game of runs in the best case. But good coaches don't blow leads (or get down huge early) like this over and over again year after year with different players. I don't know what needs to change, and I was encouraged that we came out and dominated the second half against Tulsa after a great first half. AK's teams do generally seem to finish seasons better than they start.

Maybe he needs to go the way some NFL coaches do and give up some in-game decision making and concentrate on leadership and management at a high level. Because he seems very very good at that part of the job. Maybe there are no better options on the bench to handle that responsibility. But we'd be roughly 13-2 if we could play 40 minutes like we've played 30 in every game this year. We cannot continue to collapse and blame it on the players when there's only been one common denominator these past five years.

(And also when your best player is an incredibly talented passive beta who will probably be better in the NBA than college you have a problem that is very difficult to solve. Vasquez is the only one who might be able to fix it because he clearly thinks he's the best player on the court and sometimes is.)


Thank you for saying this. I completely agree. Well said. Sometimes I made out to be crazy for saying the same thing.

And this isn't the only year we lost leads, or started the season slow, or lost WTF games out of nowhere late in the season. These have been problems basically every year he's been here, outside of maybe year one (which is weird, bc AK said it was his least talented team he's coached.). The problems have been more pronounced this season, and last, but to say they weren't present for both of Jelly's teams is a misstatement.

We had Quan Jackson. We had a Quan. And with the season on the line . . . with everyone in a packed Arena knowing who would take the final shot for the Mean Green . . . the seven-footer was on the perimeter trying to guard Madea.

We had a Quan. A Quan!
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(01-06-2025 02:15 PM)58-56 Wrote:  
(01-06-2025 12:28 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  
(01-06-2025 11:41 AM)freeblazer Wrote:  
(01-06-2025 10:24 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I think he will ultimately be a good player. But as we saw last year, dudes aren’t just going to come from Juco and be ready to go day 1. I’ve actually thought Kennedy has done a great job pivoting and getting guys in Juco that are going almost overlooked the past few seasons. Now he needs to pivot back to the portal and find a guy who can play d and has a high a/t ratio. Those guys aren’t going to be recruited by the world because they aren’t scoring 20 a game.

I've never had a problem with Kennedy's ability to attract and (more importantly these days) retain talent with limited resources. We're unlikely to get the perfect player ever again (the days when we compete with UAT and Auburn for talent are just over), but we usually have very good talent, and we don't seem to lose the ones we want to keep at the rate some other programs suffer. That's a testament to Kennedy's specific skills that are, frankly, perfect at this level. McGhee is very good and getting better; he's just not a perfect traditional point guard. Ezewiro was an important addition, and he's going to be even more critical in conference play, but he has flaws that are the reason we got him and he's not a rotation guy at Tennessee. And Kennedy is going to miss on some like Gordon, because every guy in the portal is looking for something to make them money either now or in the future. When they get to a place and it doesn't seem like it's going to work out (and he struggled mightily early), some personalities just walk out. This is going to happen every single year from now on, because Kennedy (for better or worse) will take chances because he has to in this new NIL/portal world.

And I've heard Kennedy talk about his own frustrations with the schedule, so I cut him some slack on that. He got very frustrated in a meeting when someone suggested he should bring better teams to Bartow, and he said, "Alright. You do it; you're in charge since you think it's so easy. I'll play anybody you can find who will come here. Guys, the teams you're thinking about...they won't come."

So the caveat to what I'm about to say is...I'm glad he's here, and I know we can't do better. But my issue is in-game coaching decisions, and it has been since the day he arrived. These are not new problems. And let's recap: We were down 14 to Vermont and 16 against Middle. At home. And we still should have won both those games after massive comebacks. We had 8 point leads against Longwood and Illinois State and blew them late. We had a TWENTY-SEVEN point lead against Arkansas State and lost by NINE. At home. And we had an 18 point lead against North Texas, which is a good team. The issue isn't talent. We have players good enough to dominate at times. They're "ready" enough to blow people's doors off for parts of every single game we've played this year. We can, of course, blame the players to some extent for these collapses because good players handle pressure better than we have, and basketball is certainly a game of runs in the best case. But good coaches don't blow leads (or get down huge early) like this over and over again year after year with different players. I don't know what needs to change, and I was encouraged that we came out and dominated the second half against Tulsa after a great first half. AK's teams do generally seem to finish seasons better than they start.

Maybe he needs to go the way some NFL coaches do and give up some in-game decision making and concentrate on leadership and management at a high level. Because he seems very very good at that part of the job. Maybe there are no better options on the bench to handle that responsibility. But we'd be roughly 13-2 if we could play 40 minutes like we've played 30 in every game this year. We cannot continue to collapse and blame it on the players when there's only been one common denominator these past five years.

(And also when your best player is an incredibly talented passive beta who will probably be better in the NBA than college you have a problem that is very difficult to solve. Vasquez is the only one who might be able to fix it because he clearly thinks he's the best player on the court and sometimes is.)


Thank you for saying this. I completely agree. Well said. Sometimes I made out to be crazy for saying the same thing.

And this isn't the only year we lost leads, or started the season slow, or lost WTF games out of nowhere late in the season. These have been problems basically every year he's been here, outside of maybe year one (which is weird, bc AK said it was his least talented team he's coached.). The problems have been more pronounced this season, and last, but to say they weren't present for both of Jelly's teams is a misstatement.

We had Quan Jackson. We had a Quan. And with the season on the line . . . with everyone in a packed Arena knowing who would take the final shot for the Mean Green . . . the seven-footer was on the perimeter trying to guard Madea.

We had a Quan. A Quan!

AK's worst coaching job to date. That was an abomination. Madea roasted everybody on our roster, and their grandmas for good measure, but AK still never put quan on him one-on-one, despite quan having probably about a foot of wingspan and 6-7 inches of height, and having the same, or better overall athleticism than him.
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