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(12-13-2024 01:18 PM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  There are other coaches out there besides Bill Clark.

Some in this fanbase struggle with that concept.

Yes there are other coaches out there. But he's a known quantity. Given our current predicament having a steady hand at the wheel would be nice. It's an academic argument anyway as long as current administration is in place

Sure, there are other coaches out there. The thing is that Clark is a Jax St. alumnus. He was a winning coach there then was hired away by UAB, where the Jax State fans watched him work miracles. Now there is an opportunity to get him back. Can you blame them for thinking about that possibility?

They've got a shrewd young AD who will perform a coaching search and make the best hire he can, but you can bet Clark will get a good hard look. I'd be surprised if he does not have the inside track on that job if he wants it.

What was Clark's highest salary at UAB?

(12-14-2024 12:29 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  What was Clark's highest salary at UAB?

Around 1.5 mil, he was the highest paid coach in CUSA

Maybe he's waiting one more year to see if Ingram & Dilfer both get canned to seek a return to UAB? If Watts hasn't retired by then I would imagine it wouldn't be too much longer in which case Clark could outlast him.

Boomerang hires seem more popular recently with Rich Rod back at WVU and Scott Frost back at UCF.

I doubt that Clark back to UAB is ever gonna happen.

(12-13-2024 05:50 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Sure, there are other coaches out there. The thing is that Clark is a Jax St. alumnus. He was a winning coach there then was hired away by UAB, where the Jax State fans watched him work miracles. Now there is an opportunity to get him back. Can you blame them for thinking about that possibility?

I wouldn’t say he worked miracles here. Jack Crowe was here for about 12 years and averaged 6-5 or so. Good enough to keep his job and beating Ole Miss helped his stock. He finally got fired after another 6-5 season, even though he still had two years left on his contract. So things weren’t bad, just mediocre.

Clark comes in and goes 9-3. But of those wins, we went to OT with 0-12 Georgia State, double OT with D2 UNA, and a two point win over Alabama State. Plus we beat a Pioneer League team we scheduled after Auburn had to cancel. So we could easily have been under .500.

We did get an at-large to the playoffs and won two games to make the QF and finish 11-4. Certainly an improvement but I think it gets blown out of proportion.

That being said, what he did for y’all was a miracle. Winning six games after what McGee had done was amazing. He also saved your program. I doubt it exists if McGee had still been there.

Quote:They've got a shrewd young AD who will perform a coaching search and make the best hire he can, but you can bet Clark will get a good hard look. I'd be surprised if he does not have the inside track on that job if he wants it.

Seitz is a great AD. I think he already had a list in his head. RichRod saw us as a way to get back to a P level job and Greg knew that. His hiring came out of nowhere three years ago and another hire like that wouldn’t surprise me.

Some people are against hiring back Clark because he left. It didn’t bother me because it was a better opportunity that paid him more money than he would get in the FCS. I wouldn’t be mad if we did hire him, but I would rather we not. I don’t even know if he wants the job. Supposedly it would screw up his state pension if he did but I don’t know how all that works.

While I wouldn’t rule it out, I don’t think the math works for either BC or JSU, and I also don’t think JSU (no offense intended) is the challenge Bill is looking for. I could see it feeling a bit like a marriage of convenience for both parties and I don’t think that is what either side really wants.

Or maybe he’s just content to do nothing. He has enough money to live comfortably the rest of his life.

(12-15-2024 11:07 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  

(12-13-2024 05:50 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  Sure, there are other coaches out there. The thing is that Clark is a Jax St. alumnus. He was a winning coach there then was hired away by UAB, where the Jax State fans watched him work miracles. Now there is an opportunity to get him back. Can you blame them for thinking about that possibility?

I wouldn’t say he worked miracles here. Jack Crowe was here for about 12 years and averaged 6-5 or so. Good enough to keep his job and beating Ole Miss helped his stock. He finally got fired after another 6-5 season, even though he still had two years left on his contract. So things weren’t bad, just mediocre.

Clark comes in and goes 9-3. But of those wins, we went to OT with 0-12 Georgia State, double OT with D2 UNA, and a two point win over Alabama State. Plus we beat a Pioneer League team we scheduled after Auburn had to cancel. So we could easily have been under .500.

We did get an at-large to the playoffs and won two games to make the QF and finish 11-4. Certainly an improvement but I think it gets blown out of proportion.

That being said, what he did for y’all was a miracle. Winning six games after what McGee had done was amazing. He also saved your program. I doubt it exists if McGee had still been there.

Quote:They've got a shrewd young AD who will perform a coaching search and make the best hire he can, but you can bet Clark will get a good hard look. I'd be surprised if he does not have the inside track on that job if he wants it.

Seitz is a great AD. I think he already had a list in his head. RichRod saw us as a way to get back to a P level job and Greg knew that. His hiring came out of nowhere three years ago and another hire like that wouldn’t surprise me.

Some people are against hiring back Clark because he left. It didn’t bother me because it was a better opportunity that paid him more money than he would get in the FCS. I wouldn’t be mad if we did hire him, but I would rather we not. I don’t even know if he wants the job. Supposedly it would screw up his state pension if he did but I don’t know how all that works.

I believe he meant that the JSU fans watched him work miracles at UAB

(12-15-2024 12:26 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  I believe he meant that the JSU fans watched him work miracles at UAB

That's exactly what I meant. He was doing well at Jax, UAB hired him away, and the Jax fans saw him have more success than anyone ever had at UAB.

No slap at Jacksonville State was intended.

(12-15-2024 04:45 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(12-15-2024 12:26 PM)LairDweller Wrote:  I believe he meant that the JSU fans watched him work miracles at UAB

That's exactly what I meant. He was doing well at Jax, UAB hired him away, and the Jax fans saw him have more success than anyone ever had at UAB.

No slap at Jacksonville State was intended.

I misread your intent. My apologies.

No worries.

(12-15-2024 11:07 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  Supposedly it would screw up his state pension if he did but I don’t know how all that works.

The pension pays out at a percentage of the average of his last four or five years annual pay in the system. Y'all would have to be paying well over $1m, probably in the neighborhood of $1.5m, for it not to cause that payout to drop.

I expect that would mean that it depends on the deal that was cut with Jax St. and whether he's willing to take a likely pay cut to return there. I wouldn't rule it out, he's already pretty much fixed for life - but it's not my money, yanno? Anything that drops that pension payment drops it every month for the rest of his life.

(12-16-2024 12:34 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(12-15-2024 11:07 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  Supposedly it would screw up his state pension if he did but I don’t know how all that works.

The pension pays out at a percentage of the average of his last four or five years annual pay in the system. Y'all would have to be paying well over $1m, probably in the neighborhood of $1.5m, for it not to cause that payout to drop.

I expect that would mean that it depends on the deal that was cut with Jax St. and whether he's willing to take a likely pay cut to return there. I wouldn't rule it out, he's already pretty much fixed for life - but it's not my money, yanno? Anything that drops that pension payment drops it every month for the rest of his life.

I think Rich was making close to a million a year. So if we pay him that much it can’t hurt his retirement that much. While I agree it’s easy for us to talk about someone else’s money, he should be pretty set for life as it is unless he has lived a really extravagant lifestyle.

(12-16-2024 12:34 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(12-15-2024 11:07 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  Supposedly it would screw up his state pension if he did but I don’t know how all that works.

The pension pays out at a percentage of the average of his last four or five years annual pay in the system. Y'all would have to be paying well over $1m, probably in the neighborhood of $1.5m, for it not to cause that payout to drop.

I expect that would mean that it depends on the deal that was cut with Jax St. and whether he's willing to take a likely pay cut to return there. I wouldn't rule it out, he's already pretty much fixed for life - but it's not my money, yanno? Anything that drops that pension payment drops it every month for the rest of his life.

It's actually not based on the last years. The amount you draw is based on the 3 years of employment with the highest salary, called the "high 3." So if he went to work for Jax State for less money, he wouldn't hurt hit future payout, that number will never go down.

(12-14-2024 06:27 PM)hooverblazer Wrote:  Maybe he's waiting one more year to see if Ingram & Dilfer both get canned to seek a return to UAB? If Watts hasn't retired by then I would imagine it wouldn't be too much longer in which case Clark could outlast him.

Boomerang hires seem more popular recently with Rich Rod back at WVU and Scott Frost back at UCF.

Eureka! You found the perfect solution! We have to suffer one more down year for UAB Football. Watts retires and UAB gets a new President who declares high expectations for the UAB athletic department. The new President replaces Mark Ingram with a new AD who enthusiastically hires Bill Clark to be the new UAB Football Coach.

Apparently Clark has said he isn’t interested in the job.

(12-16-2024 02:29 PM)BatesUAB Wrote:  

(12-16-2024 12:34 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  

(12-15-2024 11:07 AM)AssKickingChicken Wrote:  Supposedly it would screw up his state pension if he did but I don’t know how all that works.

The pension pays out at a percentage of the average of his last four or five years annual pay in the system. Y'all would have to be paying well over $1m, probably in the neighborhood of $1.5m, for it not to cause that payout to drop.

I expect that would mean that it depends on the deal that was cut with Jax St. and whether he's willing to take a likely pay cut to return there. I wouldn't rule it out, he's already pretty much fixed for life - but it's not my money, yanno? Anything that drops that pension payment drops it every month for the rest of his life.

It's actually not based on the last years. The amount you draw is based on the 3 years of employment with the highest salary, called the "high 3." So if he went to work for Jax State for less money, he wouldn't hurt hit future payout, that number will never go down.

It's the high 3 of your last 10 years. As long as he didn't stay there for too long his pension wouldn't drop. It could actually increase because every year you're in the system your draw percentage goes up