JPK77 Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:Would the Liberty Bowl be happy with, at best, the Big East's #3 or #4 team? Would SEC #6 be happy with Big East's #3 or #4 team?

no bowl wants the Big East's #3. Or #2, and you don't want even want to think about how p***ed off the BCS bowl is that gets stuck with the BE #1 is...

If that the case then why do we have signed agreements with the Gator/Sun, Houston and Car Care.

If that the case that the BCS is pissed off about us being a member, why did they keep us in the BCS. And why did they change the rules to the benefit of the Big East to keep them in. It turned out we are meeting the Old and New criteria anyway but that besides the point.

JPK77 Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:Would the Liberty Bowl be happy with, at best, the Big East's #3 or #4 team? Would SEC #6 be happy with Big East's #3 or #4 team?

no bowl wants the Big East's #3. Or #2, and you don't want even want to think about how p***ed off the BCS bowl is that gets stuck with the BE #1 is...

Wow you are lost. I'm sure no one wants WVU or UofL who have quality teams and send more fans than anyone in CUSA dreams of.

What would ever happen if the Big East rep sent more fans to the Gator Bowl than the ACC rep? Oh wait, it already happened 3 months ago! Oops.

Tallgrass Wrote:My guess is the existing Big East schools can schedule any CUSA team home and home they want to...without having to cough up $472,222 for the privilege to do so.

That dollar figure would be more than offset by an additional home game every 2 years. The income from a home game would double that figure and it would ease the scheduling difficulties, including less of a need to schedule 1-AA teams.

I certainly don't like the idea of C-USA losing a team to the Big East but I do think it will happen. Maybe this year or next and I believe it will be either ECU, UCF or Memphis, depending on if the Big East is seeking a football only member for the long term or if they want that to be temporary, bringing that new member in for all sports eventually.

This isn't a personal issue. It's the business of college athletics as we know it today.

triad buc Wrote:It may cost BE schools $472,222 to add a 9th team, but what about an additional bowl game that will most likely come to the BE with a 9th team.
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If the Be added a 5th bowl game... it most likely will be a bottom of barrell type game... that rarely makes conf $$$$ and often cost them $$$

This expansion stuff would be a good thesis project for a Psych student....there is no expansion going on in any league.

With the price of a "buy" game rising to almost $500K this year with the 12th game I'm not sure where it is a loss of money... it would just about even out. With another bowl game and possible extra TV money I would say it would either be a wash or a increase in cash per school after expenses...

I'm sure the Car Care Bowl loved USF and their huge crowd this year.


Hell, this is all assuming that the Big East will even have their BCS bid in a couple years, which they won't, especially if they remain with 8 teams.

BINGO we have a winner. That's right on the money, will the Big East still be BCS in 2010. I personally think the BCS will keep them afloat through their broadcasting "journalist" suck ups who will vote to put a BE team just high enough to keep them BCS. But if they fail, will our conference mates still be :moon2: at the BE. That will be funny to watch.

Maize Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:Regarding bowls, CUSA fans underestimate their influence. If Memphis and the Liberty Bowl were lost to CUSA, things would not stay the same. Everything is now on the table.

Would the Liberty Bowl be happy with, at best, the Big East's #3 or #4 team? Would SEC #6 be happy with Big East's #3 or #4 team?

If Big East moves its #3 team from Charlotte Bowl to Liberty Bowl, how happy will the Charlotte Bowl be? Especially with ECU and Marshall with their good attendance so close by?

The Big East would then have its, at best, #5 team for the Houston Bowl and my guess is the Big East would lose the Houston Bowl at that point.

CUSA could add a Florida Atlantic and set up a Florida Bowl. The first two teams I would invite would be SEC #6 from the Liberty and/or ACC #5 from the Charlotte Bowl. A warm weather bowl in Florida is attractive.

So, the Big East could land the Liberty but lose the Charlotte and Houston Bowls...and the Big East could land the Liberty but then run the risk of losing that SEC #6 to an attractive warm weather bowl game in Florida vs CUSA #1.

Yes, no one really knows what would happen. But you are automatically making assumptions that have no validity.

Lets say for giggles Memphis becomes the 9th school in a EAC and the Big East keeps it arrangement with Notre Dame since the Irish will remain Independant as long as they get money around 10-11 Million a season from NBC and the BCS.

What would likely happen is with ND the Big East would keep the Gator/Sun Bowl arrangement and the Liberty would become the number 3 bowl. Remember Tallgrass it took pressure from Memphis and their fans to keep it from becoming a Big East/SEC Liberty Bowl.

As for the Car Care Bowl, where are they going to go. Contrary to popular belief the other BCS leagues would rather play among themselves in Bowl games then with schools that are Non BcS schools.

The LB just rejected the BE. Adding Memphis to your conference would do nothing to change their opinion about you. Besides, the LB now has a long-term contract w/ the SEC and CUSA.

CollegeCard Wrote:

JPK77 Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:Would the Liberty Bowl be happy with, at best, the Big East's #3 or #4 team? Would SEC #6 be happy with Big East's #3 or #4 team?

no bowl wants the Big East's #3. Or #2, and you don't want even want to think about how p***ed off the BCS bowl is that gets stuck with the BE #1 is...

Wow you are lost. I'm sure no one wants WVU or UofL who have quality teams and send more fans than anyone in CUSA dreams of.

What would ever happen if the Big East rep sent more fans to the Gator Bowl than the ACC rep? Oh wait, it already happened 3 months ago! Oops.

Wasn't this year's Gator Bowl the lowest attended in recent history?

eaglefan2999 Wrote:

CollegeCard Wrote:

JPK77 Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:Would the Liberty Bowl be happy with, at best, the Big East's #3 or #4 team? Would SEC #6 be happy with Big East's #3 or #4 team?

no bowl wants the Big East's #3. Or #2, and you don't want even want to think about how p***ed off the BCS bowl is that gets stuck with the BE #1 is...

Wow you are lost. I'm sure no one wants WVU or UofL who have quality teams and send more fans than anyone in CUSA dreams of.

What would ever happen if the Big East rep sent more fans to the Gator Bowl than the ACC rep? Oh wait, it already happened 3 months ago! Oops.

Wasn't this year's Gator Bowl the lowest attended in recent history?

No, not even close. The Gator had around 63,780 for the Louisville-Virginia Tech game. The lowest was the one with Miami-Georgia Tech game in which they only had 43,461 in 2000.

eaglefan2999 Wrote:

Maize Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:Regarding bowls, CUSA fans underestimate their influence. If Memphis and the Liberty Bowl were lost to CUSA, things would not stay the same. Everything is now on the table.

Would the Liberty Bowl be happy with, at best, the Big East's #3 or #4 team? Would SEC #6 be happy with Big East's #3 or #4 team?

If Big East moves its #3 team from Charlotte Bowl to Liberty Bowl, how happy will the Charlotte Bowl be? Especially with ECU and Marshall with their good attendance so close by?

The Big East would then have its, at best, #5 team for the Houston Bowl and my guess is the Big East would lose the Houston Bowl at that point.

CUSA could add a Florida Atlantic and set up a Florida Bowl. The first two teams I would invite would be SEC #6 from the Liberty and/or ACC #5 from the Charlotte Bowl. A warm weather bowl in Florida is attractive.

So, the Big East could land the Liberty but lose the Charlotte and Houston Bowls...and the Big East could land the Liberty but then run the risk of losing that SEC #6 to an attractive warm weather bowl game in Florida vs CUSA #1.

Yes, no one really knows what would happen. But you are automatically making assumptions that have no validity.

Lets say for giggles Memphis becomes the 9th school in a EAC and the Big East keeps it arrangement with Notre Dame since the Irish will remain Independant as long as they get money around 10-11 Million a season from NBC and the BCS.

What would likely happen is with ND the Big East would keep the Gator/Sun Bowl arrangement and the Liberty would become the number 3 bowl. Remember Tallgrass it took pressure from Memphis and their fans to keep it from becoming a Big East/SEC Liberty Bowl.

As for the Car Care Bowl, where are they going to go. Contrary to popular belief the other BCS leagues would rather play among themselves in Bowl games then with schools that are Non BcS schools.

The LB just rejected the BE. Adding Memphis to your conference would do nothing to change their opinion about you. Besides, the LB now has a long-term contract w/ the SEC and CUSA.

In case you did not know the main and only reason why the Liberty doesn't have a tie in with the Big East is because of Memphis fans and the city.

The SEC did not want to play C-USA schools at first-(they wanted to avoid Alabama/Auburn vs. UAB and Ole Miss/Miss. State vs. USM and by concession you will not see those matchups). But due to the pressure of the city and a vigorous email campaign it stayed with C-USA.

Now do you really think if Memphis went to the Big East around 2008 that the Liberty Bowl would stay with C-USA after the contract ends in 2010. If you do then I have a bridge to sell you.

Maize Wrote:

eaglefan2999 Wrote:

Maize Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:Regarding bowls, CUSA fans underestimate their influence. If Memphis and the Liberty Bowl were lost to CUSA, things would not stay the same. Everything is now on the table.

Would the Liberty Bowl be happy with, at best, the Big East's #3 or #4 team? Would SEC #6 be happy with Big East's #3 or #4 team?

If Big East moves its #3 team from Charlotte Bowl to Liberty Bowl, how happy will the Charlotte Bowl be? Especially with ECU and Marshall with their good attendance so close by?

The Big East would then have its, at best, #5 team for the Houston Bowl and my guess is the Big East would lose the Houston Bowl at that point.

Of course they would stay with C-USA...Has Memphis ever played in the Liberty Bowl?......I thought so......

CUSA could add a Florida Atlantic and set up a Florida Bowl. The first two teams I would invite would be SEC #6 from the Liberty and/or ACC #5 from the Charlotte Bowl. A warm weather bowl in Florida is attractive.

So, the Big East could land the Liberty but lose the Charlotte and Houston Bowls...and the Big East could land the Liberty but then run the risk of losing that SEC #6 to an attractive warm weather bowl game in Florida vs CUSA #1.

Yes, no one really knows what would happen. But you are automatically making assumptions that have no validity.

Lets say for giggles Memphis becomes the 9th school in a EAC and the Big East keeps it arrangement with Notre Dame since the Irish will remain Independant as long as they get money around 10-11 Million a season from NBC and the BCS.

What would likely happen is with ND the Big East would keep the Gator/Sun Bowl arrangement and the Liberty would become the number 3 bowl. Remember Tallgrass it took pressure from Memphis and their fans to keep it from becoming a Big East/SEC Liberty Bowl.

As for the Car Care Bowl, where are they going to go. Contrary to popular belief the other BCS leagues would rather play among themselves in Bowl games then with schools that are Non BcS schools.

The LB just rejected the BE. Adding Memphis to your conference would do nothing to change their opinion about you. Besides, the LB now has a long-term contract w/ the SEC and CUSA.

In case you did not know the main and only reason why the Liberty doesn't have a tie in with the Big East is because of Memphis fans and the city.

The SEC did not want to play C-USA schools at first-(they wanted to avoid Alabama/Auburn vs. UAB and Ole Miss/Miss. State vs. USM and by concession you will not see those matchups). But due to the pressure of the city and a vigorous email campaign it stayed with C-USA.

Now do you really think if Memphis went to the Big East around 2008 that the Liberty Bowl would stay with C-USA after the contract ends in 2010. If you do then I have a bridge to sell you.

Of course they would stay with C-USA...Has Memphis ever played in the Liberty Bowl....I thought so.....

Maize Wrote:In case you did not know the main and only reason why the Liberty doesn't have a tie in with the Big East is because of Memphis fans and the city.

The SEC did not want to play C-USA schools at first-(they wanted to avoid Alabama/Auburn vs. UAB and Ole Miss/Miss. State vs. USM and by concession you will not see those matchups). But due to the pressure of the city and a vigorous email campaign it stayed with C-USA.

Now do you really think if Memphis went to the Big East around 2008 that the Liberty Bowl would stay with C-USA after the contract ends in 2010. If you do then I have a bridge to sell you.

In your friggin wet dream, idiot. The LB doesn't care about UM. How many times has Memphis even qualified for that bowl? Hell, they haven't even come close. The LB knows what a disaster a #3 Big Least team would be. Talk about a nightmare scenario if UCONN, USF, or Cincy made the bowl, and brought their 500-1000 fans.

The LB may not stick with the CUSA champ forever, but they sure as hell don't want anything to do with the BE #3 chumps.

Maize Wrote:

eaglefan2999 Wrote:

CollegeCard Wrote:

JPK77 Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:Would the Liberty Bowl be happy with, at best, the Big East's #3 or #4 team? Would SEC #6 be happy with Big East's #3 or #4 team?

no bowl wants the Big East's #3. Or #2, and you don't want even want to think about how p***ed off the BCS bowl is that gets stuck with the BE #1 is...

Wow you are lost. I'm sure no one wants WVU or UofL who have quality teams and send more fans than anyone in CUSA dreams of.

What would ever happen if the Big East rep sent more fans to the Gator Bowl than the ACC rep? Oh wait, it already happened 3 months ago! Oops.

Wasn't this year's Gator Bowl the lowest attended in recent history?

No, not even close. The Gator had around 63,780 for the Louisville-Virginia Tech game. The lowest was the one with Miami-Georgia Tech game in which they only had 43,461 in 2000.

Just as I suspected. This past GB attendance was WAY down the list. Guess they better get used to that, or did they already dump the BE? I can't remember. Seems like the media was all over the GB being unhappy with the "new look" of the Big Easy.

http://www.gatorbowl.com/tgb/history/ar.asp

eaglefan2999 Wrote:

Maize Wrote:In case you did not know the main and only reason why the Liberty doesn't have a tie in with the Big East is because of Memphis fans and the city.

The SEC did not want to play C-USA schools at first-(they wanted to avoid Alabama/Auburn vs. UAB and Ole Miss/Miss. State vs. USM and by concession you will not see those matchups). But due to the pressure of the city and a vigorous email campaign it stayed with C-USA.

Now do you really think if Memphis went to the Big East around 2008 that the Liberty Bowl would stay with C-USA after the contract ends in 2010. If you do then I have a bridge to sell you.

In your friggin wet dream, idiot. The LB doesn't care about UM. How many times has Memphis even qualified for that bowl? Hell, they haven't even come close. The LB knows what a disaster a #3 Big Least team would be. Talk about a nightmare scenario if UCONN, USF, or Cincy made the bowl, and brought their 500-1000 fans.

The LB may not stick with the CUSA champ forever, but they sure as hell don't want anything to do with the BE #3 chumps.

Oh yes they do, the Liberty Bowl was gone until the Email campaign and RC Johnson.

It doesn't matter to the Big East, our number 1 goes to a BCS Bowl, our number 2 goes to the Gator/Sun Bowl and our number 3 goes to the Houston Bowl starting this year. Same payout and better stadium.

I know it pains you that the Big East is meeting the BCS Old and New criteria. Most of you C-USA folks just knew we were going to lose our bid and it not going anywhere. Especially when you will have 1 Big East school in the Top 5 and another in the Top 12.

It is not about the Liberty Bowl but the $EC. That league was not on board until the arrangement. Without that arrangement the Liberty Bowl was going to the Big East Number 3/Notre Dame.

eaglefan2999 Wrote:

Maize Wrote:

eaglefan2999 Wrote:

CollegeCard Wrote:

JPK77 Wrote:

Tallgrass Wrote:Would the Liberty Bowl be happy with, at best, the Big East's #3 or #4 team? Would SEC #6 be happy with Big East's #3 or #4 team?

no bowl wants the Big East's #3. Or #2, and you don't want even want to think about how p***ed off the BCS bowl is that gets stuck with the BE #1 is...

Wow you are lost. I'm sure no one wants WVU or UofL who have quality teams and send more fans than anyone in CUSA dreams of.

What would ever happen if the Big East rep sent more fans to the Gator Bowl than the ACC rep? Oh wait, it already happened 3 months ago! Oops.

Wasn't this year's Gator Bowl the lowest attended in recent history?

No, not even close. The Gator had around 63,780 for the Louisville-Virginia Tech game. The lowest was the one with Miami-Georgia Tech game in which they only had 43,461 in 2000.

Just as I suspected. This past GB attendance was WAY down the list. Guess they better get used to that, or did they already dump the BE? I can't remember. Seems like the media was all over the GB being unhappy with the "new look" of the Big Easy.

http://www.gatorbowl.com/tgb/history/ar.asp

Rick Catlett has been trying for years to get the SEC to move from the Outback Bowl to the Gator. He screamed all Bowl week about Louisville attendence but when it was all said and done Louisville sent over 20,000 fans to the Gator Bowl. The school that did not show up was Virginia Tech, they had around 15,000 fans.

The Gator Bowl and the city of Jacksonville will have more of a problem wth the ACC with attendence then the Big East. The reason why Virginia Tech did not send more fans was because they had just left Jacksonville 3 weeks prior. The Gator Bowl will always have that problem until they move the ACC Title game.

Btw we still have an arrangement with the Gator and now Sun Bowl. This is our bowl situation:

1. BCS
2. Gator/Sun
3. Houston
4. Car Care
5. Toronto pending approval.

Maize Wrote:

eaglefan2999 Wrote:

Maize Wrote:In case you did not know the main and only reason why the Liberty doesn't have a tie in with the Big East is because of Memphis fans and the city.

The SEC did not want to play C-USA schools at first-(they wanted to avoid Alabama/Auburn vs. UAB and Ole Miss/Miss. State vs. USM and by concession you will not see those matchups). But due to the pressure of the city and a vigorous email campaign it stayed with C-USA.

Now do you really think if Memphis went to the Big East around 2008 that the Liberty Bowl would stay with C-USA after the contract ends in 2010. If you do then I have a bridge to sell you.

In your friggin wet dream, idiot. The LB doesn't care about UM. How many times has Memphis even qualified for that bowl? Hell, they haven't even come close. The LB knows what a disaster a #3 Big Least team would be. Talk about a nightmare scenario if UCONN, USF, or Cincy made the bowl, and brought their 500-1000 fans.

The LB may not stick with the CUSA champ forever, but they sure as hell don't want anything to do with the BE #3 chumps.

Oh yes they do, the Liberty Bowl was gone until the Email campaign and RC Johnson.

It doesn't matter to the Big East, our number 1 goes to a BCS Bowl, our number 2 goes to the Gator/Sun Bowl and our number 3 goes to the Houston Bowl starting this year. Same payout and better stadium.

I know it pains you that the Big East is meeting the BCS Old and New criteria. Most of you C-USA folks just knew we were going to lose our bid and it not going anywhere. Especially when you will have 1 Big East school in the Top 5 and another in the Top 12.

It is not about the Liberty Bowl but the $EC. That league was not on board until the arrangement. Without that arrangement the Liberty Bowl was going to the Big East Number 3/Notre Dame.

Just pray that WVU doesn't choke. We all know that Loserville will choke on the hype. They always have. You guys have to learn how to beat crappy USF before you can start having your BCS pipe dreams.

eaglefan2999 Wrote:

Maize Wrote:

eaglefan2999 Wrote:

Maize Wrote:In case you did not know the main and only reason why the Liberty doesn't have a tie in with the Big East is because of Memphis fans and the city.

The SEC did not want to play C-USA schools at first-(they wanted to avoid Alabama/Auburn vs. UAB and Ole Miss/Miss. State vs. USM and by concession you will not see those matchups). But due to the pressure of the city and a vigorous email campaign it stayed with C-USA.

Now do you really think if Memphis went to the Big East around 2008 that the Liberty Bowl would stay with C-USA after the contract ends in 2010. If you do then I have a bridge to sell you.

In your friggin wet dream, idiot. The LB doesn't care about UM. How many times has Memphis even qualified for that bowl? Hell, they haven't even come close. The LB knows what a disaster a #3 Big Least team would be. Talk about a nightmare scenario if UCONN, USF, or Cincy made the bowl, and brought their 500-1000 fans.

The LB may not stick with the CUSA champ forever, but they sure as hell don't want anything to do with the BE #3 chumps.

Oh yes they do, the Liberty Bowl was gone until the Email campaign and RC Johnson.

It doesn't matter to the Big East, our number 1 goes to a BCS Bowl, our number 2 goes to the Gator/Sun Bowl and our number 3 goes to the Houston Bowl starting this year. Same payout and better stadium.

I know it pains you that the Big East is meeting the BCS Old and New criteria. Most of you C-USA folks just knew we were going to lose our bid and it not going anywhere. Especially when you will have 1 Big East school in the Top 5 and another in the Top 12.

It is not about the Liberty Bowl but the $EC. That league was not on board until the arrangement. Without that arrangement the Liberty Bowl was going to the Big East Number 3/Notre Dame.

Just pray that WVU doesn't choke. We all know that Loserville will choke on the hype. They always have. You guys have to learn how to beat crappy USF before you can start having your BCS pipe dreams.

Let's see, last year in C-USA 11-1, 8-0 and finished Top 5 in the country. You're right, we do choke.

Maize Wrote:Let's see, last year in C-USA 11-1, 8-0 and finished Top 5 in the country. You're right, we do choke.

You dodged USM, and didn't beat anybody worth a crap. Impressive.