(11-14-2024 03:29 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: (11-14-2024 02:09 PM)tanqtonic Wrote: You said Lad and myself were in error in taking your comments in the manner that we did. You clarified. I know I simply went my merry way on that point, and from that point havent revisited that clarification issue.
Let's revisit that for some truth....
Post 1, I challenge the conclusion of this article that suggests that 55/53 represents a wide gender gap.
You and Lad misunderstand... I take blame... I clarify.
Post 25.... I think I make clear that the 55/53 comparison came from the media and that I called it intellectually lazy... so hardly an endorsement. i even made the same point you did later about all sorts of possible reasons.
Quote:The over-arching point is that there are potentially millions of reasons why people vote a certain way... or even simply turn out to vote... so to look at a 55/53 split and immediately jump to a conclusion about sexism is intellectual lazy (on the part of the media... USA Today and Chron.com in specific were MY sources... that supported this idea and those who didn't bother to look beyond the headline on social media) and unnecessarily divisive.
Post 26... you claim I am the one making the comparison and that you have never seen it from the media... so you read it, but you didn't accept it. In fact, you seem to suggest that I am making up the usage of the term
Quote:I think it hasnt made news because no one I have scene commenting on voting gaps based on sex has defined it in the manner that you speak.
Post 29... I don't get mad. I politely make it PERFECTLY clear it was the article making the comparison... and that I was actually agreeing with you
Quote:You're very close... though I am not the one making the claim that the stat plays a role. In fact, I am suggesting the opposite. It was the article suggesting that it played a role.... and like you are doing here... I challenged that.
Post 30... you ONCE AGAIN IGNORE that and claim that it is 'my' comparison. emphasis mine
Quote:I think the 55/53 comparison is useless. I have never seen that in the manner that has been brought up by you here
This isn't a matter of mind-reading as you imply. It is AT BEST a matter of NOT reading.
Post 31, I type in bold... wondering what the hell I have to say to make it clear that I got this from the article and am not making the claim myself and in fact, reject the claim, just as you do.
So you really didn't 'go about your merry way'. You repeated and attributed to me something that I was very clear did not come from me and that I took issue with three times.
Missing it in the OP?? My fault. I took blame.
Missing it in post 25? I put that mostly on you... but I'll still take a little. I'm still being polite, despite our history.
Missing it in post 29? 100%, absolutely squarely on you.
Post 31, you try and deflect... I said it was 'brought up by you'... and tell me to take a chill pill. You then claim innocence... 'I should have said 'if one'.... Feel better now? Again, chill out
Condescending and certainly not you taking responsibility for anything, but I STILL reply civilly.... though you've clearly tested my patience.
Post 34,
Quote:It's not about being 'bad' Tanq... It's about you missing the point.
I brought it up because this was the evidence the article used to support their claim. 55% of men broke for the man. That's PROOF of misogyny as far as that article was concerned.
Perhaps if I didn't have to quote back to you...
'I'm only responding to the exact words that you typed', this wouldn't be an issue. If you expect quarter, you should be willing to grant it FIRST.
I stand by that and the evidence is clear. You didn't remotely do as you claim and 'go on your merry way'. You Ignored my accepting responsibility for not being clear initially. You repeatedly assigned a belief to me over my direct, clear and specific objections and clarifications... and then when YOU made an error, you put the responsibility on ME to 'chill out'... despite the fact that I was responding DIRECTLY to the words that you used over and over.... something you do quite often to me.
Your attempts to gaslight me into forgetting that you made the same 'honest mistake' 3 times previously and ignored polite corrections, followed by at least two references to me agreeing with you that you now suddenly claim that YOU agree would be amusing in another context, but they aren't here.
I can't swear that it is intentional. It is insulting to your honor to assume it is and insulting to your intelligence to assume its not.... so I'll just say that it needs to stop... one way or another.
Ham, the simple fact is that my comment was that it was the point that you brought into the discussion. And identifying it that particular point. Not
stating that it was you making the comparison or subscribing to the comparison. Nowhere did I ever state the italicized previous. Ever. Period.
Per the comment from me : "You clarified/corrected, we understand. I have understood that initial confusion, and nary made a mention of it in the slightest. Chill out."
Ham, you are absolutely reading into the statement the comment that I am saying that you "subscribe to the statement", or are the one originating the position in the article, or are somehow advancing it. The statements simply do not.
The words are simply specifically identifying the issue. That is, 'I have never heard of the the issue that you introduced to us in the article'. I simply said 'that you [spoke] of', or 'I have never seen that in the manner that has been brought up by you here'.
If I thought that you were backing that thesis, or that you subscribe to that point of view, I would have said
'that point that you seem to backing', or 'the comparison that you are making' or 'the point that you back'. The words above DO NOT make that bolded comment that you are saying.
Last I saw there is a fundamental difference between the terms comprising 'what you spoke of' and 'that has been brought up by you here', and the phrases and ideas associated with the phrases 'that to which you back', and/or 'that which you make a comparison.' End of story.
As an absolutely trivial example -- Assume i say 'there are folks who think Trump is an actual cannibal' as a point I want to make fun of or simply shoot down. I dont think I would denote anyone saying 'that topic that you brought up about Trump being a cannibal' would in any way paint me as having that belief. It merely says that I brought it into the discussion. And it specifies the issue being discussed, Literally.
Quote:You repeatedly assigned a belief to me over my direct, clear and specific objections and clarifications
I said the 'that has been brought up by you here' and 'what you spoke of'. And I did say 'I have never seen it presented in the manner that you speak.' That is "assigning a belief to you?" To the above, no, they dont. They merely note that I was referring to the topic that you actually did to our attention.
You speak repeatedly of one needing to read the words. Here is picture perfect example of "reading the words', and making huge inferences into the words.
As to the one issue I did misspeak, and should have clarified -- I clarified. I should have used the term 'one' instead of 'you'. I will absolutely refrain from that colloquialism as much as I can. Trust me.
Of I thought you held the ideas, I would be far more blunt and explicit about it.
Quote: You repeatedly assigned a belief to me
Nope, I absolutely did not. If you do not distinguish a difference between 'what you brought up' and 'what you spoke of' on one hand, and 'YOU MADE UP THAT COMPARISON' on the other (which are pretty wide), I would say, well.... there are. So again -- take a chill pill.
Quote:despite the fact that I was responding DIRECTLY to the words that you used over and over.
You responded to your interpretation of my words, which simply didnt say what you claim. Again, 'that to which you brought up' <> 'you think that way' --- that is *your* construct of my words. My words are my words -- they simply are not what *you* claim them to be, that is apparently 'the thing you brought up' MEANS "*you* believe in that thing", or "you made that thing up", or "you did a comparison", or any other issue that implants any support of the idea to you.. Christ on a cracker.
Quote:"It is insulting to your honor to assume it is and insulting to your intelligence to assume its not"
"intellectualy dishonest"
Ham, if I wished to attribute an idea or backing of an ide to your, I sure as holy fk wouldnt say 'that thing you spoke of' or its equivalent. It is literally referring to 'what you brought up', 'what you spoke of', 'that thing that was introduced by you' -- not to whether that view is implanted in your psyche.
I am sorry you dont like how something is said. I am reminded of your lectures to me about how I should not read extra issues into your words, and yet here we are where you are claiming that 'what you brought up' is now saying "'YOU MADE UP THAT COMPARISON'" or "You believe in the issue" --- or something to that equivalent effect. Rather ironic I would say.
Feel free to refer to my 'Trump is a cannibal' as something I brought up.
Because, yes --- I. Brought. It. Up.
Albeit --- I. Dont. Subscribe. To. It.
And --- I. Dont. Believe. It.
And I am certainly not going to throw a tizzy if/when you say 'I brought Trump being a cannibal up.' Simply because of the three points above. And the last two most importantly.
As to the bolded -- I havent done anything in terms of insulting language. I would hope you could endeavor to that as well.