(03-24-2023 05:19 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  

(03-22-2023 10:01 AM)GoBucsGo Wrote:  I know he had individual meetings with them the last two days (he stated that on the monster yesterday), and I don't think he was chasing King off. All the same, I'm fine with him moving on. He had some talent, but all of it was on the offensive end. Defensively he stunk. Someone above mentioned if used in the right way he could be effective, and I 100% agree with that. All the same, we can do better. I mean, compare him to Isaiah Tisdale...

I'll be interested to see what happens with Haynes & Taylor. Haynes is a big 6-8, but Forbes typically liked to get a 7 footer or near 7 footer in here as center. So I wouldn't be surprised if that happens, meaning he may split time next year. That would likely be a good thing. Also, what will happen w/ Ilic? The thing about Haynes is that I'm not sure he's in that good of shape.

Of the remaining players I think the guy with the most upside is Seymour. He's an X factor, can shoot from distance, can rebound, and can play some defense. I like his attitude, and he seems to work hard.

Respectfully, Seymour is NOT a good outside shooter - at least not yet. I think his season average from 3 was like 24% (without looking it up; I know that's ~ what it was late in the season). Perhaps even worse is his shooting from about 12-15 ft. Yes, he'll hit some, but I would bet his % in that range is less than 30-35%. That said...........I like him, too, but he doesn't seem to have the confidence in that mid-range and longer shot. Don't disagree with your other Seymour points.

And...........I don't think King's D was that bad. No, he couldn't completely handle the best guards in the league (but who could?), and yes, he was undersized, but he was fantastic at filling the passing lanes for steals. Tied for the team lead (with Strothers) in steals (of course he played a lot of minutes), and didn't foul out of a single game. Had a good nose for the ball and was a decent rebounder for a guard. I'd probably rate him a C+ or B- overall on D. No, not as good as Tisdale on D, but was a MUCH better scorer - when he was on, of course, which is the rub.

I would argue that King was a very inconsistent player in all phases, and Tisdale was a very consistent player in all phases. Sure - Tisdale didn't score as much, but he had so many good pieces around him those demands were not put upon him. Those demands were put upon King, and he just didn't consistently get it done. Fair point on King not fouling out, and you're right - he could get in a passing lane now & again - but as you said, as many minutes as he played, he should be able to do that. There are some really good guards in this league, but if he's worth his salt, he needs to be right there with them, and he wasn't.

As far as people saying he's a selfish player, that's unfair, in my opinion. Oliver was very clear from the get-go King was the team leader. He put all his eggs in Jordy's basket, so to speak. So I don't think that was Jordy being selfish, it was Jordy following what Coach told him to do.