(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  McElwain and Creighton suck harder. Thats the only point needed to be made.

McElwain and Creighton are not our concern. They do not coach at Toledo. Given they are doing better with worse, it's reasonable they would do better with better. Something the current coach has not been able to do.

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  We pay more for our coach because we have 20,027 fans in mid November and Ball State has 250.

We live in an population of half a million with not major competitors for sports dollars. Comparing to Ball St or any other MAC school is going to be seen as a strawman because it is. Your constant attempts to divert from the obvious is what brings the disengenous to your postion here. At least play in the subtle.

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  He cant beat P5s when we dont have em on the schedule.

Then it's reasonable he shouldn't get paid as if he's beating P5s. D2 schools that do not beat D1's do not get paid as if they are beating D1s just because they cannot schedule them.

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  We pay more for our coach because we make more money as a program and he is doing what hes paid to do.

He's not responsible for us not playing P5s but he's somehow getting credit if we "make more money?" And he's making how much more money after expenses than who?

(11-19-2022 05:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I hate the effing losses to our rival. In the end od the day we are playing for the ship.

If playing for the "ship" with this record in a conference this poor is the end-all, how much worse could we be to drop to FCS and play for doughnuts? Very little. If you hate the effing losses, aren't you playing fro the wrong team on these boards? There's no indication those losses are going to go away when a coach makes the post-game comments this one did after that last loss.

The "end all" at Toledo is beating the best the conference has to offer, not 3-10 and repeatedly losing to teams over which they are massive favorites, not because of lack of talent but because of lack of coaching that talent.