(01-14-2023 08:00 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(01-13-2023 11:39 PM)Was SoMs Eagle Wrote:  I’m guessing and hoping (maybe beyond hope) we will eventually find out what was in these documents. This would explain a lot about this whole situation. Trump may be an egotistical ahole but he has rarely been out foxed by these people. He may just have another ace up his sleeve.

There’s no common ground to be had in this thread. Why not? Because the principal combatants are too invested in their absurdly irrational positions.
I do not mean to single you out, WSME. You are one of many who think that Donald Trump’s only flaw is his abrasive ego. It is your bolded sentence above that states it most succinctly. Yet it could not be more false.
Donald Trump has CONSTANTLY been outfoxed by his opponents. Fauci, Comey, Wray, Birx. Even the mental turnip Biden. I cannot think of even a single important instance after 2016 in which Trump was not outfoxed by those opposing him. And it has continued post-2020. Running interference in the midterm elections to support under-qualified candidates and then refusing to back them financially? Publicly lunching with actual Nazis? Leaving himself open to charges of mishandling classified documents? How stupid can one man actually be?
On the other hand, and again I do not mean to single you out tanq. - - you are just the most vocally insistent on this point. Pretending that our Justice Department and FBI is on the up-and-up is not only wrong, it is insulting. And it undercuts what is otherwise an important point: that the rule of law is supposed to matter, and Donald Trump should not get a pass for flouting it.
But how many examples of misuse of the system are we supposed to overlook? Eric Holder. Hillary Clinton. Lois Lerner. Peter Strzok. James Clapper. William Brennan. Samantha Powers. Ray Epps. Hunter Biden. Peter Daslak. Tony Fauci. The list is seemingly never ending.
And yet you (and many others) focus first and foremost (if not exclusively) on the undeniable shortcomings of Donald Trump as if that is justification for blowing through “probable cause” protections in our Constitution. And insist that the rest of us are wrong for expressing concern over it.
I already know your response to this, tanq. You will remind me (correctly) that you have nowhere excused the bad behavior of others. But the point is that our system has. There has been NO consequences to any of these deep-state fraudsters. Instead, the only consequences being dealt out by our gov’t are those aimed at Donald Trump and his supporters.
That is banana republic behavior. You are smart enough to know that. Just because you are willing to type on a political board that the others SHOULD have faced consequences doesn’t change the fact that they have not. The system is failing.

Tanq,

I consider you to be a friend, and a good friend.

But Monarch here has pretty well laid out the problem I have with you on this issue. Donald Trump may be an awful fellow (that's may be, not an acknowledgement that he is or is not) but that does not mean that the deep state people are not evil charlatans. They are. It's like and old meme that I saw several times a few years back, "Just because George W. Bush sucked doesn't mean Obama doesn't."

I think you are putting too much faith in legal, government, and judiciary systems that are rotten to the core with partisan corruption. To raid Mar-a-Lago after giving Hillary a pass smacks of banana republic politics. Which reminds me, Monarch, you forgot James Comey.