(09-23-2022 04:38 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  This tanqtonic/ODU BBALL exchange highlights a sad reality for our nation.

Before Obama, only the most conspiracy-minded among us would have suspected our D.o.J. and investigative services to be corrupt institutions. Now only the most naive or deluded among us dismiss that as anything other than a very real and terrifying possibility.

Before Trump, pretty much no one would think of their president being stupid and reckless enough to keep top secret national documents lying loose in his desk and around his bedroom. Now pretty much most of us are past the stupid and reckless part and instead are debating how serious of a threat it posed.

+3. I couldn't agree more with your assessment, and that's the point I was making regarding the "trust" in the people feeding us the data points with this topic. Perry Mason would have a field day punching holes in some of this if he was the defense attorney, not the least of which would be pointing out how the witnesses had lied previously in going against his client.

I get your point, but there is one thing that I have to correct. This making stuff up, and covering stuff up, by the DOJ and FBI started before Trump won the election.

Before the 2016 election-
Comey listing all the classified data handling infractions committed by Hillary then giving her a pass. Note that they were way worse than what they are accusing Trump of having done.

After Trump won the election -
Russia, Russia, Russia (and the FISA warrant).
Russian disinformation (Hunter's laptop 3 weeks before the 2020 election).