(08-19-2022 10:07 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-19-2022 09:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(08-19-2022 08:53 AM)WalkThePlank Wrote:  Why do you put 100% faith into the FBI?

1. I don't.
2. But until we see evidence to the contrary, if we don't put trust in the rule of law and our Constitution, we've got nothing left.

I know many here are just fine and dandy with trump destroying our experiment, but I for one, am not. I love this country.

Yes, you love it so much that you are willing to make excuses for armed gov't raids on private-citizen residences.

Donald Trump, gratuitously unnecessary jerk that he is, nevertheless is an American citizen with 4th Amendment rights.

The 4th amendment has a specific exemption for a search, that being a 'warrant'. Are you stating that there was no warrant?

Quote:Not just the American public generally, but he personally is being withheld access to the very information that was used to justify the raid on his home.

Most people, when having their 'persons, houses, papers' searched receive a copy of the warrant as a matter of law. Trump (through his representative) received a copy of the warrant. Is there a problem with this?

Many people, when having their 'persons, houses, papers' searched do not receive a copy of the supporting affidavits, which is allowable as a matter of law.

Looks to me his 4th amendment rights were preserved under the facts available.

As for 'armed raids', I hate to tell you that just about every raid I have seen (white collar raids on a company HQ, even that) the people were armed. And the VPs and C-level people whose homes were searched and items seized (at the same time), the agents were armed.

This is even more evident when you look at the literal tens or hundreds of thousands of warrant based searches and seizures that occur in the US over the course of any year.