(08-16-2022 12:10 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-15-2022 09:59 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(08-15-2022 09:47 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  

(08-15-2022 09:24 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-15-2022 09:21 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  So trumpy says the FBI took his passports and he wants them back. Sidebar question.. FBI confiscated the passports because trumpy is in so much trouble he might be a flight risk? FBI responds and says they don't have the stable geniuses passports. Sidebar question... is the ballooned orange one telling another fib or.... maybe the FBI no longer has possession of the seized passports? Passing them on to another agency. But where is trumpy going anyway.... I mean outside of the United States LOL

If you can believe anything being let out but... evidently they have said they have all three (2 expired and one valid) and they will be returned.

Passports are property of the government and can be taken during an investigation. And yes they are supposed to be returned after investigation or prosecution. Trump just trying to stir up his base.

There was an interesting correlation in 2016 that showed as people with passports went up the vote for Trump went down. Again correlation not a proven causation.

The only time they can be taken on a non-return basis is when there is risk of flight.

And yes, this entire episode was golden opportunity to stir up his base. The passport is only a cherry on top.

Just watch, even after returning them the peeps here who are 'Trump is a god' will extol on how unfair taking them was, and how Trump foiled the giant conspiracy to grab his passports (even if only one of them was valid....)

Maybe because his passports arent classified documents, they arent in the search warrant, and they really have no reason to take them since Trump is not charged with anything (we still do the whole innocent until found guilty thing here---unless Biden has issued an executive order on it). People will extol the unfairness of it because it was unnecessary, ham handed, and stupid (just like the raid itself).

It was only unnecessary because Trump bolted Dodge with a lot of documents that he shouldnt have taken with him in the first place, mind you.

And refused return of the documents.

And sent them a letter saying that he had no documents.

And lordy lordy lordy, they somehow end up with scores of boxes of those things that he had written a letter saying that none existed there.

That chain of events doesnt seem to cross too many thought processes around here.

Quote:What it wont be is this earth shattering "You cant handle the truth!" Col Nathan Jessup moment that substantiates the need to raid an ex-presidents home or attempt to charge him with a crime.

Where is the attempt to charge him with a crime at this juncture, as you put forth above? Or are you getting a little ahead of yourself there?

And honestly, there wouldnt have been any reason to raid the place for anything if: a) Trump hadnt packed up and departed with boxes of stuff he shouldnt have; or b) returned the boxes of stuff under subpoena; or c) had a letter written to the DOJ that swore up and down and sideways that Trump didnt have the boxes.

Amazing that none of those 3 preceding predicates makes it into vision there.

Quote:In the end---I kinda see it like you do. I dont think there will be any charges filed for two reasons. One---because no prosecutor would ever bother to file charges on something like this if it wasnt for the entirely political angle and---TWO----the political optics on this will be worse for the Biden Administration and DOJ than they are for Trump.

And again, if Trump had actually followed what he should have, this stuff wouldnt have gone down.

But apparently the big, bad, evil DOJ forced Trump to take all those boxes of stuff he really shouldnt have in the first place.

And the big, bad, evil DOJ forced Trump to blow off subpoenas for their return.

And the big, bad, evil DOJ forced Trump to have a letter written to the DOJ saying he didnt have the boxes.

Holy smokes -- that big, bad, evil DOJ is amazingly more dastardly and cunning than I ever took them for given that they induced Trump (or his peeps) to do all three of those steps. Pretty amazing work, wouldnt you say? Thats like thought control stuff they performed there.....

The long and short is that, even after jumping up and down and sideways, the documents in Trumps possession were (and are) *government property*. And there is no reason whatsoever that those documents should have been in Mar a Lago, let alone kept there after being noticed by the government.

Trump further chimed up that he pinky swore to officials they could have anything they wanted, they just had to ask. Well..... thats not how it is supposed to go down. They never should have been there in the first place, and they should have been returned at first ask. Because..... they are government property. Full stop.

Apparently the National Archives had been trying to get the records back for over a year. After a series of stalls and other resistance, ol' Donnie finally gave them about 15 boxes’ worth. Of their property, mind you.

But, as it is plain now, he simply kept a whole kit and kaboodle more. Of their property. And then had his attorney tell them that none existed.

Trump should not have taken the documents in the first place. He should have returned all of them on request. Period and end of story. Somehow that fundamental refusal to return their property seems to be lost in the narrative here.