(08-10-2022 07:43 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(08-08-2022 07:09 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  In the famous words of this forum, give it 48 hours to see what this is about

So here we are, bobdizole, more than 48 hours later. And we still haven’t seen anything more than lukewarm tut-tutting from the left. Will you step up? Will anyone from the left?

What instead we get is the usual, tired deflection tactics. It covers the spectrum:

—> the certifiably demented (scorpius)
—> the blindingly dumb (Mensa)
—> the nasty trolls (tennis and dogpatch)
—> the denialists (RWT and Mr. X)
—> the holistic scolds (Gamenole).

Is there anyone on the left capable of unequivocal condemnation for such a blatant misuse of government power? I’m thinking not. And the result is a hardening of distrust on the part of those on the right and those in the center.

I hate Donald Trump as much as anyone. Yet he is an American citizen, and entitled to all of the rights and protections that come with that. There is no “but for the ones we don’t like” exception to the 4th Amendment (or which ever one applies here).

If the left is prepared to overlook a breach of this magnitude, then I am convinced that it will not think twice in unleashing their own brand of brownshirts on the general population.

I don’t want a civil war. I pray it never happens. But if it does come to that, it will be the complicit left that is the most responsible.

48 hours. Time to speak up, bobdizole. Or do you also fall somewhere on the deflection spectrum?

Monarch I agree you hate DJT as much as anyone, and your rush to judgment in apparent agreement with him on this issue surprises me. I think Tom is entirely correct here, we simply do not have enough information to know how this will turn out. Given that AG Garland and FBI Director Wray are unlikely to repeat the Comey error of commenting on the investigation of a high-profile politician while it is still ongoing we are unlikely to have any detailed information for quite some time, except what the former President wishes to tell us.

I don't blame him, any intelligent person in his position would try to get ahead of the story and spin things in the most favorable way possible. He alone has the stage right now, and he'd be a fool not to try and use this time to his advantage. But we're only getting one side of the story at this point, and from a highly interested party.

At this point I've seen no evidence that there is anything illegal or improper here, but if there was the former President does not lack for resources to pursue justice all the way to the Supreme Court. This is going to be the most scrutinized warrant and search in American history, and we're going to need to let the process play out before we can judge if the system worked properly here or not.