(11-19-2021 09:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(11-18-2021 11:34 PM)scorpius Wrote:  If you're so worried about the deficit, then explain to me where Bush and Trump paid for their tax cut bills or unnecessary wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Once you can explain that, then you MIGHT be able to complain about spending bills that simply catches us up with the rest of the world. But that complaining is only valid to the extent that it is "paid for" through a shell game that falls back on reversing unpaid for tax cuts from Republican administrations.

Not defending deficits on the part of any party or president, but facts are facts.

The Mideast wars, and the tax cuts, comprise only minor elements of the deficit and debt, maybe $100B per year each in a deficit that has been close to or over $1 trillion. The vast majority of the deficit and resulting debt come from runaway social spending, and this bill hides some of that as "infrastructure." Republicans really can't talk too much about the deficit, given their track record, but as a member of neither party I can blame both--and the blame at this point is about 80% democrats, 20% republicans.

CBO's budget protections as of January 2017 (https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/...lumn.pdf), which "were completed before the new Administration took office on January 20, 2017, and did "not incorporate any effects of executive orders or other actions taken by that Administration," showed deficits (in billions) rising from 2017 to 2026, as follows: -559; -487; -601; -684; -797; -959; -1,000; -1,027; -1,165; and -1,297. Those are the numbers that were baked into the cake by the Obama administration, without any Trump tax cuts or other changes. And once again, the brain-dead republicans were asleep at the wheel when it came to pointing this out.

Obama was a master of illusion. He and the democrats painted themselves as deficit busters by timing things so that the deficits bottomed out at the end of their watch, but immediately thereafter blew up, creating a massive hot potato for whoever followed them. Republicans stupidly played along by 1) not pointing this out at every opportunity and 2) not doing anything to address the problem.

Right now we have a pattern where democrats in power do everything they can to ruin this amazingly wonderful country, and republicans in power simply leave things in place and do nothing to dismantle the damage done by democrats. We cannot survive that way. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, but my enemies need better enemies.

you continue to repeat the ‘pub se(nt)diment’ … when the ultimate ‘majority’ is controlled by banking + both parties are funded by such, explain how anyone with their hand in ye ol’ cookie jar is going to slit their own throat …

the avg. voter doesn’t have a clue other than what is force ‘fed’ … you know how they tip the scales to maintain control … hell, your pal Rand and others are trying … what’s the end result when the bulk of the blob tube (boob - blob … does it matter at this point?$!)

this is my issue with 3rd party bs from intellectuals … you guys are fighting an insurmountable wave in the wrong fashion …

#henceDJT #DJTexperiment was ‘last chance, Charlie’ … you know it as do too many others…

all this is, is how it’s transformed into the final land mass conquering within itself via $$$ (simplest version)

the smart folk are continually shrinking … and too many succumb to muh mean tweets via what ‘they’ hear…

we’ll both be dead before the shite really hits the ‘proverbial’ … the bibble won’t mean shite, and faith will be lost in transit as always…

the only question left, is who absorbs Mother Earth as a species …

@mereSpeckOfDust