(10-06-2021 08:54 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(10-06-2021 08:36 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-06-2021 08:11 PM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(10-06-2021 07:57 PM)All4One Wrote:  

(10-06-2021 05:53 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That actually is not true---though its widely accepted as fact among many sports fans. I think its just because there are no examples of it out there right now. Thats because most FBS conferences REQUIRE you to be full members---but there is actually no NCAA rule preventing membership in a home conference that sponsors FBS for olympics while playing football in another FBS conference. Boise accpeted an invite to join the WAC---having every intention of playing olympic sports in the WAC (which sponsored FBS football at the time) while being a football only member of the Big East backs in 2012. They only reconsidered and did a deal with the Big West because the WAC looked like it might completely implode at one point in early 2012.

The only thing the NCAA rules care about with respect to FBS conference composition is that you must have 8 members that also play the required number of olympic sports together in the same home conference in order to sponsor an FBS league. Once you meet that requirement---they dont care what conference anyone additional members play in.

That is very interesting. Thank you for clarifying. As you said, there aren't any examples of split allegiances like that. I guess it's one of those things most people would mistakingly assume.

He is wrong.

We dragged out the rules before with the big 12 there are several different NCAA ones including that you may not move a sport sponsored by your home conference to another. That would include football. We end up with affiliate sports because that conference does not have that sport.

Sigh. I was the one who provided them. Here they are again. Nowhere does it say you can play in the conference---or as an indy outside of the conference. Nowhere does it say you cant play football in a different conference. All the NCAA rules do is simply define the minimum standards a conference must meet to be considered a conference.

20.02.5 Multisport Conference. A Division I multisport conference shall satisfy the requirements of this
section. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
20.02.5.1 Minimum Number of Members. A multisport conference shall be composed of at least seven
active Division I members. The member conference shall include at least seven active Division I members that
sponsor both men’s and women’s basketball. (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
20.02.5.2 Sports Sponsorship. A multisport conference shall satisfy the following requirements: (Adopted:
1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) The conference shall sponsor a minimum of 12 Division I sports;
(b) The conference shall sponsor a minimum of six men’s sports, one of which shall be men’s basketball. In
addition to men’s basketball, the conference shall sponsor football or two other men’s team sports. A
minimum of seven members shall sponsor men’s basketball. A minimum of six members shall sponsor
five other sports, including football or two additional men’s team sports; and
© The conference shall sponsor a minimum of six women’s sports, one of which shall be women’s basketball. In addition to women’s basketball, the conference shall sponsor two other women’s team sports. A
minimum of seven members shall sponsor women’s basketball. A minimum of six members shall sponsor
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five other sports, including two additional women’s team sports (or a minimum of five members for an
emerging sport for women).
20.02.5.3 Regular-Season Conference Competition. Multisport conference members shall participate in
regular-season conference competition, subject to the following requirements: (Adopted: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)
(a) Basketball teams shall participate in a regular-season conference schedule of a double round robin, inseason competition, or a minimum of 14 regular-season conference contests;
(b) In football or in a minimum of two men’s team sports other than men’s basketball [as required in Bylaw
20.02.5.2-(b)], teams shall compete in a minimum regular-season conference schedule of five contests. A
minimum of five regular-season conference contests must be hosted by one of the two competing teams
at its home venue; and
© In a minimum of two women’s team sports other than women’s basketball (as required in Bylaw 20.02.5.2),
teams shall compete in a minimum regular-season conference schedule of five contests. A minimum of
five regular-season conference contests must be hosted by one of the two competing teams at its home
venue.
20.02.5.4 Continuity. A multisport conference shall establish continuity. To establish continuity, a multisport conference must meet the requirements of Bylaw 20.02.5.1. In addition, the conference must meet the
requirements of Bylaws 20.02.5.2 and 20.02.5.3 for a period of eight consecutive years.


20.02.6 Football Bowl Subdivision Conference. A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision
conference shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision requirements. An institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members
only if the institution participates in the conference schedule in at least six men’s and eight women’s conferencesponsored sports, including men’s basketball and football and three women’s team sports including women’s basketball. A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regular-season and/or championship opportunities
are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable NCAA sport committee for
automatic qualification. (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)
20.02.6.1 Exception. A Football Bowl Subdivision member institution shall be permitted to count as one
of its required six men’s sports and one of its required eight women’s sports a sport in which its conference does
not sponsor or conduct a championship, provided the sport is one in which it participates in another Division
I multi- or single-sport conference. Different sports may be counted for men and women. (Adopted: 4/29/04
effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)
20.02.6.2 Grace Period. A conference shall continue to be considered a Football Bowl Subdivision conference for two years following the date when it fails to satisfy the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision member
requirement due to one or more of its member’s failure to comply with the bowl subdivision membership requirements. (Adopted: 4/28/05 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)
20.02.7 Full Grant. For purposes of Bylaw 20, a full grant is the value of tuition and fees, room and board,
and required course-related books. (Adopted: 1/17/15 effective 8/1/15)

The bolded was exactly what I was talking about.

If you sponsor men's basketball and not men's football then you must meet the first requirement to be a member, A.

If you play football you must meet the football requirement and two other men's sports besides men's basketball, B. If you do not it is not your home conference and you do not count towards the conference total under the membership count for a multisport conference.

ND is a member of the ACC using the first rule and maintains the ACC membership by virtue of having football independent. If they put their football in the Big 10 they would lose the ACC as its home conference as it would need to qualify under the second requirement which means basketball and two other men's sports.

Correct. Perhaps Im not making it clear. Thats exactly what I was saying. The NCAA only cares that your conference meets the minimum requirements. So---if you have 8 members that satisfy all the requirements for both your home conference and your FBS conference---then that 9th member school can do any darn thing it wants. Neither the football conference or the FBS conference will be endangered by the fact that 9th school is playing certain sports in another conference (because you have at least 8 or more other schools that DO satisfy the requirements).

Its no different than our situation with Navy. Our home conference is not affected by the fact Navy isnt playing its olympics here because we have plenty of other members to satisfy the conference minimum requirements. Its not an issue that Navy plays football here because we have 10 other schools that are members of the home conference and also play football in the league. BUT---when Houston/UCF/Cinci leave---the football league would appear to still have the 8 teams required---BUT---Navy's status as a "football only" would now become a problem as the football side only has 7 members that play all the required olympic sports together---thus Navy cannot help the AAC meet that 8 team minimum. Thats why we actually cannot stand pat as some have suggested. At a minimum, we have to add one football playing "all sports" member just to meet the minimum FBS requirements.