(06-12-2021 03:15 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 02:45 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 02:27 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 01:02 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(06-12-2021 11:16 AM)epasnoopy Wrote:  I find it interesting that I'm arguing with a bunch of G5 fans who don't want more G5 teams to have access. That we shouldn't be allowed to have every conference champion to have a spot in the 12 team playoff. The ESPN talking heads and all the P5 schools/conferences have done such an excellent job controlling the system in their favor that the G5 fans really think they don't deserve access and should play for whatever the big schools allow us to have.

Quote the posts where a large number of Go5 supporters ACTUALLY said they don't want more access.

You are just reading posts by people who can keep straight what would be nice to have and what are realistic possibilities, and evidently having trouble keeping them straight yourself. A realistic possibility of a real access to the playoffs for Group of 5 schools is a big step in the right direction.

Exactly. Would I, as a fan of a school outside of the A5, prefer a system where every conference champion is guaranteed a playoff spot? Of course! Who exactly is going to force the A5 schools to agree to that? The only entity that might have had the ability to do that was the NCAA, and that ship sailed long ago. The A5 would most definitely break away and voluntarily abandon their NCAA basketball tournament credits before they would agree to that. If you want to bluff with something like that, you better be prepared to have it called. I don't see that as a bluff I'd be willing to have called.

USFFan

Though I haven't seen the answer on it yet, I expect the below to happen.

1. All 10 conferences receiving a base distribution, with a bonus distribution for overall conference strength ranked 1-10. If the AAC does have a monster year and finishes higher than the PAC and AAC overall they'd have a shot at earning a larger bonus pool in that particular year.

2. CFP access bowls for the 4 conference champions which do not qualify for the playoff. I can see where the quarters will be Orange, Sugar, Cotton, Rose every year and then a second tier of Citrus, Peach, Alamo, Fiesta behind that for access slots of the champions who do not make the playoff. This is to partially protect the P5 if they aren't eligible for the playoff but also makes for a nice bone to throw to the G5.

If I'm a G5 I'd take a guaranteed CFP bowl over guaranteed playoff access in years when my champion has absolutely zero chance of winning in the playoff.

Again this is for the national title and a chance to give special G5 teams a shot but not for the joe average 8-5 G5 champion.

Pretty much everything about revenue distribution in the past really doesn’t care about overall non-power conference strength. It’s almost always about their best team and whether they made the playoff (or too bowl) or not. I know it’s a popular notion to rank conferences here, but that’s generally not how it has worked.

Now, when it comes to market/contractual power of conferences, that’s a totally different story. Note that the P5 receive a larger share of the CFP revenue because they are defined to be contract bowl conferences. That has nothing to do with on-the-field performance. I’d be quite shocked if that doesn’t continue (as that’s the entire crux of having power in college football).

The access bowls would also still MUCH rather take non-playoff P5 teams over the other G5 champs. Heck, they’d rather take those non-playoff P5 teams over the very best G5 champ that would now be a playoff team.

Let’s not mistake mixing greater playoff access for the G5 (which is coming with this proposal) with true market and revenue power. The P5 isn’t giving up the latter.

We have no details on the money split so far. G5 can trade money for access. If they get a base share of $40 million but not extra for that access bowl slot they effectively trade money for access.

I'm putting $40 million out there because that's about double what the G5 earn now and the expanded playoff as we know it will be worth at least double.

So yes I agree that in some way the money will still be loaded to the P5 but the question is how do you do it with a system like this? Do you do it by appearance or overall conference strength? Either way its going to be more $$$ and relative to the G5 shoestring budget it will be a significant money increase.

I doubt the P5 will have it tied to contracts for the quarterfinal bowls like they do for CFP bowls in the current system. There won't be a guarantee of making it into a quarterfinal bowl for any conference for one.

In a 1-10 system the lowest rated conference would earn 1.82% of the bonus pool money while the highest would earn 18.2% of the money. The minimum cut for a Top 5 conference would be 10.9% or over 5x more of the lowest rated conference.

They could split the money four ways; base distro, overall conference, appearance and academic money. It is this way already for the G5 which has a conference performance split of their football money. P5 gets a base distro for having contract bowls, appearance for participating and APR money that is split evenly for all FBS schools.