(01-28-2022 11:35 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-28-2022 08:34 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 05:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 02:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-27-2022 11:45 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  THIS^^^^^

As Ive said before, fraud is very had to prove (especially with mail in ballots)----That said, Americans understand the idea that "NO fraud happened" like the media claims is a complete joke. With a massive level of "mail in absentee voting hitting a system that was never designed to handle that kind of absentee voting volume----its almost certain some level of substantial fraud existed. It was just too easy to game that system. Was there enough fraud to change the election----maybe---maybe not. Its not like it would have taken all that much to swing the race given the electoral balance. Like Nixon-Kennedy----we will probably never know---but most will always harbor suspicions that something was amiss. Biden got more votes than Obama? "C'mon mannnn".

And since you brought up polls earlier...trump was losing in pretty much EVERY legitimate poll ahead of the election...so the only one that would have needed to cheat to win was trump...and this is further bore out in the fact that pretty much every case of fraud found in the election was trump voters trying to help trump.

Additionally, A G A I N, why did Democrats not cheat in any senate races to get to an actual majority to be able to pass anything?

Facts are a stubborn thing.

This continual "there was probably fraud that swung the election" because you refuse to believe that trump screwed himself and lost the election himself is pathetic. Silly me, I expected more out of the posters here. How sad.

And just because you seem to want to ignore how most every state actually handles mail-in ballots and verifies them, doesn't mean they were in somehow fraught with all this fraud. It's laughable. These states weren't decided by one or two votes, but tens of thousands. That's not something anyone could easily pull off as you seem to suggest. And it would have had to happen in several states, and it would have involved hundreds or thousands of people. And even if someone was stupid enough to do it, it was no guarantee that trump would have necessarily lost. All that could have happened in your mind, yet not any credible evidence has been found in well over a year? Think man.

lol---anyone using the term "legitimate" while referencing network pre-election polls is not worth listening to. Those polls were what---10 points off in 2016?

As for mail in ballots, most every state lowered the security measures for mail in ballots because almost no states had the infrastructure in place to deal with that many mail-in ballots. Most states "mail-in" ballots were only for absentee voting---so they were looking at dealing with a few thousand---nobody was set up to do millions. Thus, they had to make adjustments. For instance, in Nevada, state law says every signature must be machine compared with a signature on file and then compared again by a human. Literally hundreds of thousands of votes were not checked at all---and the vast majority that were checked were only checked by a machine. Furthermore---to make the machines run fast enough---the sensitivity was turned down from the normal 90% to below 50%. Finally, it turns out that the resolution of state database signatures was only set at half the resolution needed by the comparison software in order to speed things up---so basically every machine check was virtually worthless. The software had been dumbed down so much that pretty much any signature would pass. So---when you read the law---signature checks by machines with a high level of ability to pick up non-matching signatures paired with a backup human check---it all sounds very secure. When you find out how it was actually implemented----the security isnt nearly as bulletproof as the people were led to believe.

The reality is, once the outer sleeve is separated from the ballot----there is no way to truly prove fraud. Your not stupid guy. This is why cheating pays off and the GOP now knows that fighting fraud after the fact is a fools errand. You have to set the voting system in a way to make fraud virtually impossible......strangely, the Democrats dont want that. They scream "racism" over stuff like having to present ID---even though they require ID to buy alcohol, get a vaccine, receive social security, cash a check, or to enter the capital building. I was unaware that grocery stores, clinics, banks, and the capital building were all racist. I think we all know the Dems know its not racist----the Dems just want to preserve the ability to cheat....Is it really so surprising that the same Democrats that ignore mask mandates when the camera's are off might cheat when they think nobody is looking? Of course not.

The 2016 polls were actually pretty close...within the MOE if I recall. And Hillary did actually win the popular vote by around the 2-3% she was ahead in many polls. 2016 was difficult mainly because people, either intentionally or not, were hesitant to say they would vote for trump.

And your claims about Nevada seem to be complete nonsense The machine setting was well within the suggested range, and the majority of ballots WERE checked by hand. I also don't see anything that says you have to have every signature checked by hand AND machine. Further, the issue you're incorrectly complaining about was in only one county, not state-wide. But you can clear it up by providing some proof...I guess...even though the trump campaign itself couldn't seem to provide any. Oops.

Quote:On Dec. 2, 2020 Ford issued a statement addressing Laxalt and his claims: “Because I take fraud claims seriously, I have personally requested that President Trump's team, including former Attorney General Adam Laxalt, file an official complaint and supporting evidence with my office. They have yet to send in a complaint that details and provides evidence for the allegations they have publicly been making. Absent such a complaint and supporting evidence, these claims of widespread voter fraud remain baseless and, moreover, are insulting to the countless of elections workers who have diligently overseen our elections.”

Quote:The Trump campaign and Trump’s allies filed several lawsuits against the results of the 2020 presidential election in Nevada, most of which sought to undermine or stop automated signature matching in Clark County. All of these lawsuits were either dismissed, denied or withdrawn.

In the Law v Whitmer lawsuit, the District Court published a “Findings of Fact” after reviewing evidence from Contestants and Defendants. It noted that although there is no recommended setting, the Agilis machine comes at a preset of 50. Clark County chose the setting of 40, meaning signatures must score at least 40 to be accepted without further review. Referring to the deposition of Jeff Ellington, the President of the company that makes the Agilis machine, the Court’s Findings of Fact says, “because the automatic signature verification is a logarithmic algorithm ... any setting between a 15 and 85 would produce substantially similar results”.

Signatures that scored below 40 were flagged for human verification. In the case of the November election, roughly 30% of signatures were verified by the Agilis machine and approximately 70% were flagged for human verification by Clark County employees.

Fact Check-Nevada Attorney General did not interfere with 200,000 signature verifications in 2020 presidential election

Lol. Another “fact check” by a left wing paper using the same corrupt leftwing cheaters who have run crooked elections for years. How about a real world test where 9 out if 10 fake signatures were accepted.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/op...s-2182390/

indeed. Reuters is usually the closest to the middle in terms of partisanship in every single analysis done...try again. And regardless, they provide all sorts of documentation from officials and court cases to arrive at their conclusion...which again, was not challenged with any real evidence by anyone, much less the trump campaign.

As to your "real world" example, there's no proof anywhere that these votes weren't part of the batch that was cured or whether they were accepted as is...or even accepted at all. Regardless, ballots in Nevada are bar-coded to the specific individual. These individuals here allegedly signed their own ballot and mailed it back in...and we have no idea whether their signature was more like their own actual signature, or this one made up by this reporter. I know I would have been pretty hesitant to attempt such a shenanigan in the end with the penalties that can come from voter fraud. Just more "real world" evidence of how ridiculous it is to entertain that someone had the means to fake tens of thousands of votes across multiple states.