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(12-17-2020 11:53 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(12-17-2020 10:46 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(12-16-2020 09:20 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-16-2020 08:30 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(12-16-2020 02:17 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I don't think this team ends up being bad. I think I predicted them around the 100 mark, which seems about right. VCU was certainly a heartbreaker but we have more games to judge where we are. We've won the games we should have and got blown out in the 2 games we should have lostgot blown out in the 2 games we should have lost. If this year ends up being like last year, I don't think anyone will want Jones back. I don't see that being the case but time will tell.

Hopefully O'Connel and Shanu develop this year. We'll also have another developmental year from Reece, Ezikpe, Oliver, and Hunter and 3 guards coming in. Im not saying next year will be great or not but the cupboard is not bare for Jones or any other potential coach. I don't see why next year will be a significantly worse team.

I wish I knew about Green. Doesn't seem like he can regain his confidence. Im not sure if its the yips or not but whatever he's doing with his feet on a his jumpshots (i don't remember that in his fresh/soph year but maybe it was there) doesn't seem to be working.

You lost me at "got blown out in the 2 games we should have lost".

If ODU was where they should be with a veteran team like this, they should be a threat to win most any game, especially so against a rebuilding Maryland team and a rebuilding VCU team.

The time for making excuses or giving hopeful responses that maybe this player or that player will quickly improve has past. Players that sit the bench don't tend to improve. Players that didn't improve during the off season don't tend to improve during the season.

I agree with your statement that next season won't necessarily be worse. By the same token, this season won't necessarily be worse than last season either. Unfortunately, in both cases those statements aren't necessarily saying very much for the state of the teams.

Agree. A veteran ODU team should be able to compete well with a down Maryland squad (and maybe win), and should certainly be expected to beat a VCU team full of freshman. Frankly, its embarrassing that we were expected to lose by 8 according to Vegas. No respect. And then to actually still get beat way worse.... obviously, Im still not over it.

We've gone down this road but Maryland is a top 50 team. Down for them is a lot different that down for a non basketball school. If you took our history and lined up with Maryland, how many years have we had a better team? Im not understanding this expecting to win vs. them.

VCU is not a team full of freshman, fwiw. VCU has certainly passed us as they are a basketball only school in a better conference with better resources. That sucks but its just the fact of the matter. Having said that, that was still a piss poor performance by us that no one should be happy about. Of course, people are going to be angry about that game and rightfully so.

As for the question about recruiting by someone else. That seems to be a go to criticism but I don't think many people come on here and hype recruiting classes every year. Maybe some individual players. This past one was not that great as the went with a developmental big that people on here cried for. O'Connell is a solid get but he's certainly no game changer. The 2018 class was a great one but one of those players has now torn an ACL and an achilles so we aren't going to see him this year. Ezikpe and Reece are both playing well.

This is not a bad team despite a poor performance against VCU. We are 4 games into the season. I don't think we will be anywhere near as bad as last year but we have 20 more games to see if that is true or not.

Stop downgrading the value of our program every year to fit your narrative that everything is fine.

I point out facts about our program and where we have stood across time. That is not upgrading or downgrading. If people want to believe our history is better than it is, sobeit.

I don't have the narrative that everything is fine. I have shown where we stand vs. were our teams have been historically. No issues with people wanting us to be a top 50 program.....don't we all? But, some people actually believe that we once were (and more than just an individual season).