(07-30-2020 09:24 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-30-2020 08:31 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  For decades we have been reminded that the victims of rape are not at fault for being raped; that regardless of their actions, they did not "ask for it" or "have it coming"; and that their attackers are not excused by perceived or real grievances against the specific victim, or women in general, or society as a whole. Rather, the complete list of causes of rape is as follows:
1. Rapists.

The list of causes of battery, looting and arson is similarly succinct.

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(07-22-2020 07:17 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Rioters are unquestionably going too far with some tactics. Remember when I criticized the fed’s methods because they were likely to escalate tensions? Looks like I wasn’t too far off on that criticism. And I seem to be right that, had they not decided to start rounding up individuals and specifically remained defensive around the building they were meant to protect, there’s a good chance this escalation wouldn’t have occurred.

So attempting to arrest and prosecute people who have 'unquestionably gone too far' (by that you mean, risked people's lives and caused damage and injury at least) is the cause of the riots? The strange thing about this is that this is one of the original excuses for the complaints... that police are not arrested and prosecuted for their crimes.

I posted an article the other day from someone who is literally advocating for the elimination of police. Not some partial reallocation of resources towards other avenues or the reclassification of some police jobs... but the elimination of police and their activities. She is correct and it seems you agree that doing so would absolutely end any criticism of police tactics and law enforcement, since there would be none. Criminals would certainly not escalate their actions against the police.

Criminals actions against innocent civilians, however???

We've had so many back and forths, I'm shocked you think that I support the idea that the cause of the riots was the unmarked van grabbing. It was the cause of the significant escalation we have seen the past few weeks, but the riots were already ongoing when the feds got there. It added kerosine to the bonfire that was already burning.

There still is not sufficient evidence to suggest that van grabs were actual attempts "to arrest and prosecute people who have 'unquestionably gone too far'" as you put it. If you want to see what that looks like, see the recent arrest by NYPD officers using the same tactic - they actually grabbed AND arrested the person they had identified and built a case against.