(07-06-2020 09:22 AM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 07:12 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-05-2020 10:32 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-05-2020 09:40 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-05-2020 09:23 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  It’s really difficult to have a discussion here when you feel the need to assign value to every statement.

I am not justifying any actions - as I said,

Please note where I say it is a 'justification'. I fully support you are noting 'why' you think it is happening.

I think it is a pile of sludge.

I think it is 200 asshats substituting *their* positions for that of a majority of the populace. But you say not.

Good. Have fun with that 'statement of fact'.

Quote:I’m also not saying that my analysis is 100% correct for every act of a mob. Sometimes it will right and sometimes it won’t.

I WIN!!!! FKING A, I should have bet OO 500 bucks on my call that you would say 'its nuanced'. Holy moley, thanks there lad.

Quote:You seem to have a very hard time when situations aren’t black or white, and you love to try categorize posts in such a way so you can squawk about them and flap your arms.

At least I dont have to say 'Its nuanced' like you seemingly do at every other turn.

You uncategorically state that the removals are 'because the legislatures havent acted fas enough.'

You seemingly dont fing consider that, perhaps, some of those governing jurisictions dont want the statues removed. I call that pre-blinders there lad. But, that is your issue, lad, not mine. Please keep doing that.

Quote:If we want to talk about support, I’ve seen multiple polls showing that the majority of people do support the removal of these statues. I’ve even had at least one other poster tell me there isn’t really a disagreement about removing them.

Glad to know one poster here is a scientific data point. That ranks right up there with your onesy tweet about Trumpists. Lolz.

Quote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com...aces%3Famp

I am sure the populace of Maine wants the eebul southern bumfks removed. Funny, perhaps the populace of, say the local county in Arkansas *doesnt* want the edifice of the *their* local son and hero removed.

But please keep pointing to the such national polls as proof positive of every local issue. And you wonder why we call you a collectivist and socialist? I guess for you a national consensus on an issue is and should be dispositive of any local action? Or do you not really give a flying fk about any local issues except to the degree that they comport with such 'national consensus'?

I live my life in a manner I know an average Californian would hate. I know that from first hand knowledge. And I would readily suggest a vice versa is strong as hell.

But seemingly a 'national poll' is the yardstick on how we should deal with all issues in ladistan? That sounds like all sorts of fking fun and sunshine..... have fun when you get to that standard.

So we’re back to this being a local issue?

I asked about that earlier and Owl#s said that I was completely off base.

One would surmise that that is where #s and I dont agree. I respect #s opinion, albeit that isnt my position. I guess I should be banned from the 'follow every aspect of #s opinion club". As for *back* to a local issue, this is where I have always been.

Again, not a very effective point mind you. I guess one of the issues I shuld make as proof is to point out 'well that isnt where [big, 93, whonot] stands on that issue. Seems to be a cogent debate point and almost a 'gotcha there' moment for you. i will file that away for future use, as I was unaware that was so important.

Quote:Honestly, there are so many wires crossed and assumptions being jumped to, that we have a rather rambling screed about California and Maine and you and OO jerking each other off.

The only wires that are crossed are yours.

As for rambling screed, it is a primer on local issue decisions.

Quote:My personal opinion on the removal of these monuments is that they should be removed. I don’t support people removing them by force. And I apparently shouldn’t even think out loud about why some people have forcefully removed them, because you’re gonna flip out about it.

Knock yourself out and get your local ones removed. Funny thing I am rather consistent on that aspect. I dont have to bend myself into all sorts of pretzels on this. And if you do get your local ones removed, more power to you. Clear enough?

You posted this yesterday:

Quote:I see zero need for most, if not all, the monuments to 'be taken down'. But, considering I have ancestors that actually died on that battlefield, I am sure you feel zero compunction about pissing on their graves as a general matter. Good for you.

I mean, there are some that seemingly take the German tack w/r to their rrcent history in that pretty much all reference to anything to a point in history be airbrushed. You can march in that lane, dont take me there by default.

And no, I will short circuit the 'racist' comment. I actually have a heckuva lot of respect for my ancestors that fought for their land. And no, we shouldnt demean that. The vast, vast majority of men who fought for the South did not own slaves, they fought for their state. I am not going to take a dump on them blindly and sua sponte like you proffer above.

And if the *local* authorities decide to remove them I have zero issue with that. That isnt a hard concept to fathom, 93. Nice try.

Perhaps you should have also noted (and maybe bolded) "I see zero need for most, if not all, the monuments to 'be taken down'." That really isnt a dying on the hilltop defense if you had bothered to actually read the selection in its entirety. But then again, this isnt the first time you have charged down that path.

And perhaps the term "blindly and sua sponte" do have meaning there as well. Funny that.