(05-14-2020 08:18 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 08:04 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 07:29 PM)johnintx Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 06:12 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-14-2020 04:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  In terms the of the marketing benefit an athletics department might deliver to a school----I would imagine the vast majority of it comes from football at most FBS universities. Thats probably the reason a school is willing to lose some money on that sport and more likely to cut rowing, even though it loses less money than football.

I'd be really curious to see some sort of data on this.

Maybe a survey asking people in Texas, especially high school students and parents, to identify the made up schools out of University of North Texas, Texas State University, Sam Houston State, South Texas STate, UT Rio Grande Valley, UT Fort Worth, Texas Southern University, and East Texas A&M.

Does the "front porch" advertising effect of lower-FBS really do any good compared to FCS? Does Texas State really have a higher profile than Stephen F Austin State? I really don't know. Does FBS North Texas really have advantages over UT Dallas or UT Arlington? Or is that not a good comparison, because UNT students aren't competitive for UTA or UTD?

In Texas, the perception gap comes more from having football and not having football. You are considered a "real school" if you have a football team. Once you get below FBS, the level doesn't matter as much. But, the bigger the school, the higher level the school is going to try to play at. They want to keep up with their "peers". Texas has grown so much in the last 20 years, and the kids can't all go to UT or A&M. So, Texas State, Sam Houston, and Stephen F. Austin have gotten bigger. So, when Texas State's enrollment increased to 20-30,000, they made the move to FBS. They still recruit the same students as Sam Houston and Stephen F. Austin, but they have more of them due to their location between Austin and San Antonio. My kids' high school in suburban Houston sends plenty of students to Texas State. They're not going there because they play Sun Belt football, but because it's a big state school with acheivable admission standards that is close (but not too close) to home. And the kids do like the money games against schools like A&M.

North Texas fills the same role in north Texas. They don't recruit the same students as UT-Arlington or UT-Dallas. It's a big state school that's easier to get into than UT or A&M.

The admission standards at UT-Dallas are actually higher than those for Texas A&M.

And, your statement about UNT is not correct. North Texas does not fill the same roll as Texas State, SFA, or Sam Houston. North Texas is a Tier 1 research university. There are only eight in the state of Texas (Texas, Texas A&M, Rice, Houston, North Texas, Texas Tech, UT-Dallas, UT-Arlington). We are not the fall back option for kids that can't get into Texas or Texas A&M. I know a current high school senior that got accepted to both North Texas and Texas A&M, but choose to go to UNT this fall.

Just for the sake of accuracy, UTEP is also a tier 1 research university but it accepts anyone due to it's regional role. Carry on.