(05-04-2020 01:53 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 01:51 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 01:35 PM)UTerry Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 01:12 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-04-2020 01:07 PM)FMRocket Wrote:  Not a perfect scenario if excluded from the AAC...
I could see over half of that conference dropping to a separate G5 division... I always thought Toledo could compete with the Temple, Tulsa’s and East Carolina’s of the world...
Would surely beat dropping down to FCS level...

You do realize doing something like that essentially the same thing that you're advocating against, right? Is competing against MTSU, Texas State, and Tulane for a "national championship" really any different than North Dakota State, James Madison, Dayton, and Idaho for one? At the end of the day, the same thing is happening, and if there is no legislation to reduce the scholarship counts or mandatory expenses or sports, a move down doesn't matter in the slightest.

The reason why I'm advocating for an FCS move is because it COULD keep the AD solvent. It would drop the necessary football scholarships down to 63 from 85, the mandatory number of sports to 14 from 16, and would allow for us to trim a whole hell of a lot of fat, including bloated coaching budgets, ridiculous spending for amenities to continue fighting an arms race we'll never compete in, and many other things that could serious take 50% of our latent expenses off of the books. The people arguing against it are not actually giving any viable reason outside of "it would be different" or "we'd be at the bottom of the totem pole"...guess what, we're already there, and now it's starting to hurt the University, not just the athletics department.

1) the biggest problem always has been and always will be it's affiliation with the MAC conference...… PERIOD!!!!!!

2) if Toledo were to drop down to FCS, not only will the number of football athletes will drop (85 to 63) but also the QUALITY of athletes will drop...… No more 3 stars... granted a few may fall thru the cracks of the P5 and G5 but the quality of Toledo Football on the field will fall off (I know I'm talking overall history of the program not about the couple strange bad years in the last few.....)

3) no more being a national name or televised games...… how often do I'myou FCS games on TV (only occasionally when they are playing on a P5 schools conference network.......)

Might as well kill the Athletic Dept. and go to club sports. More savings there. Hey everybody can watch
the Big Ten. Why have a library with books, everything
can be downloaded. Get rid of excessive dorm rooms, class space, etc.

I love the false equivalency argument that downgrading to meet market dictation and financial needs is essentially the same as just burning everything down. Never once have I said that...and I never will.

The future of the institution is not in the physical plant nor anything of paper. It's about future market
needs. My youngest is taking finals this week.
No need to step on campus. No need for campus-
no need for sports teams, etc.