(03-20-2020 09:51 AM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 06:26 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 05:28 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  

(03-18-2020 11:52 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  It seems that fans of football schools tend to expect their basketball programs to be just as successful as their football. Even though they don't get the same type of financial support. Clemson is a prime example.

Clemson in no way expects their basketball to compete for Final Fours and Championships every year like their football team. Brownell has been average (2 NCAA Tourney appearances) over his tenure there and he will be back for an 11th year! They know who they are.

Now State is a better example, except their football and basketball programs are both average.

Wrong. I am a lifetime Clemson fan with family ties. I'm on their fan boards a lot. The fans, not the admins, don't appreciate what Brad has had to work with. Many want him gone, thinking he is the sole problem. Many Clemson fans don't bother to follow basketball, but still want to put their two cents worth in. Dabo has spoiled them with football success.

There is a difference between expecting basketball championships every year vs making the NCAA Tourney every year. The sane and rational Clemson fans do not expect them to compete for Final Fours every year. A lot of message board warriors are not rational, but are the most vocal. Clemson is a football school through and through and was a football school before Dabo. Now has Brownell underachieved in his tenure there? Yes. Clemson fans should expect to go to the NCAA Touney more than two times in 10 seasons.

That's a nice argument to a Clemson outsider. But don't pretend you know Clemson fans. And you certainly don't know the lack of support for basketball. It's a football school in a basketball conference. That's why Rick Barnes left. He couldn't get the support he needed to help recruit against Duke, UNC and even N.C. State. When Brownell arrived plans were to downsize Littlejohn. He's at least been able to dispell that notion. Can he coach? This year he started with four key injuries and had some bad losses. Add to it this being a rebuilding year. With that said, this year he became the winningest Clemson coach, became the only coach in Clemson history to win at UNC. He also became the only coach to beat three top 6 teams in the same season. And many still are calling for his head. The people I'm listening to are longtime donors. He should have made the NCAA more than twice. Came close a few times where, had he been in most any other conference, he would have made it. He is finally bringing in better talent. He all but had Zion until Duke's other recruits convinced him to go there. And the winning expectations in football now carries over to their other sports. They've seen him make the Sweet 16, and they now expect more. Sadly many think it can only happen with another coach. I personally think Brad is the right fit. And I believe they are finally getting better recruiting exposure, some comes from piggybacking on football. It's still going to be difficult being in the ACC.