(08-23-2019 08:52 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-22-2019 05:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-22-2019 11:15 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(08-22-2019 10:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  So I would bet that if this issue of expansion comes up, ND will lobby for straight 8, not 5-1-2.

Sure, ND would probably lobby for Straight 8. The P5 will push for the autobids - so at least a 5-3 structure, if not 5-1-2.

But, the real point is that playoff expansion, including 5-1-2, is better for Notre Dame than the current top-4 CFP system.

I think the format of the 8-team playoff would be as much a real point to ND as is the move from 4 to 8. There is a real, substantive difference in chances between 5-1-2 and S8. Maybe moreso than the difference between 5-1-2 and the current CFP 4.

At least history shows that - in the five years of the CFP, ND would have made the playoffs twice under S8, but only once under both CFP4 and 5-1-2.

Sure. Notre Dame will lobby for that. But the other 130 teams in FBS would lobby for the autobids. In fact, it's probably a deal-breaker, at least for the P5 champs.

In the Straight 8, the PAC 12 champion would have missed in 2018. It's a small sample, but for a P5 conference to miss out on one of the marquee bowl games in the CFP expansion scenario is unacceptable. And, there have been and likely would continue to be too many close calls for P5 champs who finished near #8/9 borderline.

The top G5 champ would have missed in 2017, 2016, 2015, and 2014.....arguably simply because of the beauty pageant.

Yes, for that reason, while i still think S8 is most likely, I think a 5-3 is much more likely than a 5-1-2. A 5-3 system satisfies the P5 and ND, while 5-1-2 satisfies the P5 and the G5.

And let's face it - Notre Dame is more powerful than the G5, LOL. One reason for that is TV - they don't want to see a top-8 ND team get booted out in favor of a lower-ranked G5 team, as would have happened in 2015 under 5-1-2 but not 5-3.

As for G5 teams missing, remember, it's not just the 'beauty pageant' of the committee that has kept them out. If we'd gone strictly by computers, they would have kept the G5 champ out all of those years too. The top G5 team just isn't often one of the 8 best teams.