(07-03-2019 07:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 06:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 06:13 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 05:18 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-03-2019 08:18 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Well, actually, yes. That's how media rights contracts work.

2017-2018 combined, for football ratings, all of AAC's inventory (rated games) got 15.9% of the Big10's inventory.
The pay is 18.9%

Same crunching of large numbers will reveal the same proportionality for AAC media rights vis a vis other leagues, both those ahead of us and those behind, and BYU's prior deal for that matter.

Wait a minute ..... to use your year, the B1G payout in 2017-2018 was $51 million. Now yes, not all of that was media money, e.g., the conference received $90 million from bowl/CFP season. So knock about $7m per school off.

But, that still leaves us with about $44m in media payout.

In contrast, AAC teams got about $2m in media payout.

When I divide 2/44, I get a number a lot smaller than 18.9%.

More like 4.5%.

I bet if we do the same for Big 12 and PAC media, we will find numbers a lot smaller than 33% and 35%, which is what you claim the AAC media pay is relative to Big 12 and PAC pay, as well. For example, netting out the $6m each school got from the CFP and bowls, the Big 12 teams got about $30.5m in conference money that year. The whole point of the exercise is to see what national networks are paying for viewers delivered.

2/30 isn't 35%.

Heck, even if we don't compare apples to apples, and go with the AAC's 2021 starting number of around $6m with the Big 12's figure from 2018, we still get 6/30, which is just 20%, way below the ratings.

I compared the Big10 $2.64B over 6 years with the $1B/12year deal AAC JUST NEGOTIATED- like, that captures current value.
And PAC12 $3B 12 years.
BigXII well publicized $20M per team per year for MEDIA.

Clueless people fail to separate total distribution from media and thus YOU are the apples to oranges guy
Quo just keeps digging.

Poor Navy, always trying to act like he's just presenting facts, when in fact he's a slippery eel who uses selected data and spin to skew things in favor of his beloved AAC.

We know the B1G just distributed $52m per school ** . Where does that money come from? Primarily media, also CFP/bowls. We know CFP/bowls are about $7m a school. Maybe another $3m from NCAA credits to the conference, and CCG ticket sales.

So that knocks it down to around $42m for that year. By your math, the B1G is getting $31.4 million for its media rights, so where is that extra $10m coming from?

I'd say it's probably coming from media money not captured by your $2.64B/6 year deal - a deal they signed in June 2017, almost two years before this recent AAC deal. That deal went into effect Fall of 2017, three years before this AAC deal does but you think is a current value comparison.

If you don't think so, keep digging Eel.


** That's for 2017-2018 ... for 2018-2019 it's about $56m. I wonder what it will be by the time the AAC schools actually start collecting the $6m (to start) for that deal that doesn't start until 2020-2021 but which Eel calls "current value"?

What ESPN and FOX pay for is roughly 33 million (150 million a year from ESPN and 250 million a year from FOX). He used FOX/ESPN ratings to calculate viewership for those outlets and divided it by what FOX/ABC paid. Zero wrong with that logic.

In addition to the problem of comparing a B1G contract that went in to effect in 2017 with an AAC deal that does so in 2020 (three years is significant time between media deals), if there are other sources of conference media money, than the logic is off.

Heck, the "current value" of the AAC is what it gets paid right now - and that's about $2m in media rights. That deal was negotiated in 2013, almost as close to the time of the 2017 B1G/ESPN/FOX deal as is the new AAC deal that doesn't kick in until 2020.

But even allowing for an AAC-skewed comparison, the B1G distributed $56m this year. Not all of that is media money, but if you subtract out the big stuff that's not - like CFP/bowls, and NCAA tournament credits - you are still left with a good $14m or so gap between his claim of $31m in media money and what the B1G distributes.

And if anything, Navy's invocation of the 2017 deal highlights another possible big flaw in the Aresco deal - that ESPN/FOX deal expires in 2023, a bare 2.5 years after the new AAC deal starts.

Unless you think that the B1G is going to get less or merely the same money for those same rights that year, the gap will only grow larger.