(06-17-2019 09:57 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 09:15 AM)zoocrew Wrote:  

(06-17-2019 08:42 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-16-2019 07:11 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Expansion is done and realignment is on hold until at least 2021. We will get some idea who wins “The Best of The Big 12” sweepstakes then since The Big 12 GOR ends in June 2025.

The Big 10 adding Oklahoma and Kansas with Texas signing a Notre Dame-type deal with The ACC, or The SEC simply adding Texas and Oklahoma. Whatever happens The Big 12 is going to be gutted.

We've both been around here long enough to have heard many claims that the Big 12 would be "gutted", etc. but so far, nothing.

Yea no...people claimed the Big 12 would be gutted last go around.....and it was. It was almost gutted even worse then people predicted. “People” were right. Then the Big 12 added teams and signed a GOR for survival.

And since then people have been claiming the Big 12 will be gutted ONLY ONCE their GOR runs out. That GOR hasn’t run out yet so claiming people were wrong about it being gutted makes no sense...everyone knows the GOR isn’t going to be broken.

If in 2026 the Big 12 still has Texahoma then you were right and will have earned a nice victory lap. If Texahoma leaves the Big 12 then you were wrong and “people” were right. But right now no one is wrong about anything relating to the collapse of the Big 12.

I’m not arguing whether it WILL happen or not just that you’re claiming victory wayyyyyyyyy too early.

The Big 12 was gutted in 2010-2011 by the B1G, SEC, and PAC. I don't remember many predicting that say in 2008-2009? Maybe a few voices did but was there a consensus then that this was coming? I don't recall it.

Beyond that, I'm not claiming victory as I don't have a stake in what happens to the Big 12. I agree that anything can happen in 2025, I just don't agree with those who are certain (like the poster I replied to) that gutting will happen to the B12 that year, as I don't see any evidence pointing in that direction. To me, the developments of the last 3-4 years - the Big 12 being able to get a CCG, the ability of the Big 12 champ to get into the CFP playoffs, and the good money the schools are getting - point in the other direction. But I wouldn't dare to say i know for sure that this means the Big 12 is stable after 2025.