(07-25-2022 11:23 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 11:02 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-25-2022 09:41 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  No one in their right mind can say 'we didnt know we werent allowed in there.' If they truly did not know that, then they should be taken to a house for the mentally enfeebled.

No one in their right mind can say that they didnt know *why* they werent allowed in there.

Could the same be said of protesters blocking a freeway? Protester looting a Wal-green's?

If so, is one set of trespassing worse than the other?

If not, why not?

OO, you have to realize, and lad sometimes berates me for this, but I am a 'the process is the importance' type guy.

The blocking of a highway touches on that -- absolutely. The looting of a Walgreen's shouldn't be prosecuted as a 'trespass' as you note above -- that is theft. Along with a charge of potentially mayhem and rioting, depending on the circumstances.

The attempt to interfere with the Constitutional process of electing a President is abhorrent beyond imagination to me. The (at best) self-serving nonfeasance of a President in that situation is equally abhorrent. Maybe a tad more so ---

In the Capitol, the charges should, and many times do, extend beyond 'trespass'. The "interfering with a proceeding in restricted space" is quite on point as a charge in my book above and beyond the "parading in the Capitol". I dont think it a good idea to overlook a mob interfering with a certification.

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Quote:At this point, I could not vote for Trump in any fashion.

Understood. Was this the position you had before the 1-6 committee soap opera? If not, then it has served its purpose.

I think the issue of what Trump did in that time frame hit home. I cant describe it any more aptly than a dereliction of office in those three hours. A self-serving dereliction.

Again, I have zero issue with Trump up to that three hour appointment with Fox News to watch the stuff, and his tweet attacking Pence and the process.

I would no more stand for a partner in a legal practice pilfering funds and clients to solely benefit himself or herself than I would for Trump's self-serving dereliction.

Probably the 1/6 committee hammered that home. When stated, I cannot find a cogent rationale from anyone in defense of the tweet, or for his watching the situation burn. If you want to proffer a rationale of how that strengthens the office, or strengthens the Constitution, or strengthens our system of governance, Im all ears.

That there is no seeming rational rationale, maybe the 1/6 Committee has touched on a germ of truth in this particular aspect. Again, I am all ears for how Trump's temper tantrum while he watched the riot was not a dereliction of the office or of his oath.

Quote:Of course, at this point is moot. The point(s) at which t matters are the 2024 Texas primary and possible the 2024 general election.

I have many people not named Trump that I would vote for in the primary. His chances of getting my vote at the point are about the as the Dems nominating Joe Manchin. In the general, I will vote for the lesser evil, if I think it matters. I might, once again, if I think the election of someone(anyone) a foregone conclusion, abstain, vote third party, or write in someone, all of which are essentially the same. I have done each before.

If Texas is in danger of going Democratic, then the election is a washout for them across the country. And my vote really wont have an enormous effect.

If Texas is not in danger of folding Democratic, then again, I am perfectly comfortable not voting for DJT.

Kind of a win-win for my perspective.

I respect your opinions.

Just a clarification. At the point a protester/rioter breaks the glass on a locked Wal-green's store and enters the premises, is that B&E more so than trespassing? Have any 1-6 protesters/rioters been charged with B&E?

I would presume it is not theft until they leave the premises with the merchandise. Until then, they are just shopping.