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(03-25-2019 09:48 PM)converrl Wrote:  This is all just Mick apologists squealing like stuck pigs because their savior might be leaving.

With people like this...who are so risk-averse that we'd still be struggling with the concept of fire and the invention of the wheel (if they were in charge) it's no wonder the program has stagnated.

I also think they are frightened of being proven wrong (it's an ego thing).

The beautiful thing about it is that once Cronin's gone...they'll be gone also...and the program will have at least the possibility of growth (something I'm certain they are uncomfortable with).

Throw in the fact that these are the last Nancy acolytes and I welcome the purge. It's time to have fun again.

We deserve it.

I welcome the change.

It's time to try something new.

UC just set a program record for most wins over a 3 year span and are about to set the record for most wins over 4 years (and have multiple players break Steve Logan's record for wins played in). That's the ridiculous thing about Cronin haters, you don't care about reality, you care about how it feels.

You want to feel like we played good offense, even if we lose. Doesn't matter that our most recent loss was exactly what you all want (good offense and bad defense), you didn't feel like it was because Cronin is a defensive coach.

You want to feel like the team was successful based solely on NCAA tournament results. Doesn't matter the winning more regular season games gets you a higher seed and a better chance of success in the NCAA tournament. We still lost, so now the whole season was a failure.

Comparing Cronin to Tubberville is beyond stupid. Tubberville's last 2 seasons he went one game above .500 and had a losing season. Mick's last two seasons he is a combined 59-12.

Personally, I think winning is fun. The odds that a new coach is going to come in and do better then Mick are low. But maybe we will get a coach who runs a fast pace offense, is good with the media and loses a lot more the Mick. I guess if that's what you define as fun, getting rid of Mick is your best bet.

yup...in a mid major conference that has been down no less (that is changing). So...ok golf clap.

Too bad March wins are what counts nationally and for most fans of any program.

22-10 and a Sweet 16 is > than 30-4 and first or second round flameout.

Mick's March performance is an F-.


Try again.

Yeah a down conference, sure. Obviously we aren't a power conference, but we were arguably the 5th best conference this year and no worse then 7th any time recently. You want to feel like Mick is terrible so you come up with excuses for what he does well. Seems like every year one of you is going on about how this year we will be passed by the other teams in the conference who are recruiting better and coached better and Mick is going to look bad compared to them and it never happens.

So again, you basically just want us to become like 50 other mid-majors. Get shooters, lose more regular season games, get lucky now and then and make it to the NCAA tournament. Hope our shooters get hot and win a pair of games, but never be considered a final four threat.

There are plenty of those types of teams around and for every successful one there are 20 that don't even make the NCAA tournament. We are a top 25 team with the budget of a mid-major. The above would make us a mid-major with a budget of a mid-major.

Mick has done a lot of things right. The program is clean (or at least it looks to be anyway), kids graduate, kids are not punching horses and beating up roommates, etc. I think Mick cares about the kids and I think they respect him. I think Mick is a good life teacher and helps them prepare for life after college.

I won't list the things he sucks at because I've done that plenty in this thread.

Honestly, i don't care how we get it done (defense, shooters, whatever), I just want it to get done. "It" being we are not known as March pretenders. We are known in the AAC and also around the nation for things based on patterns over time. Some are good, like known for hard nosed defense and rebounding. Some aren't, like being known as paper tigers due to our March Madness record.

If Mick could get it done, I'd be all in on Mick. So far in over a decade the pattern is, he can't. I don't see that changing unless he is willing to change and he doesn't come across as someone who is willing to try a different approach, philosophy, etc. And I get it, we get set in our ways.

But lets not deceive ourselves into thinking we couldn't do better either. We could do worse, but we could do better to potentially.

i think with our history we should be much better in March.

I mostly agree, I think the main disagreement is I'm on BreacatMark's side. I think we are more respected nationally - because it is harder to achieve - by making the NCAA tournament every year and flaming out, then we would be by failing to make the NCAA tournament most years, but making a sweet 16 run when we do get there. The former is also more likely to lead to more consistent results (NCAA tournament has a large luck factor and making every year gives you a better chance of getting lucky). I'm sure lack of NCAA tournament wins hurts recruiting a bit, but being able to guarantee a recruit that they will be playing in the NCAA tournament helps more then the march flame-outs hurt.

Could we get a better coach? Definitely, but the odds of failure are higher. Look at UConn, who were nationally respected and won a national title. They hired Kevin Ollie and despite him managing to win another title with inherited recruits, they quickly fell off the map. If Cronin fails to make the NCAA tournament for a year (or has back-to-back years of making it as a double digit seed), I think it's time to start looking for a replacement. But as long as he's maintaining consistent success, I think our odds of long-term success both in the regular season and the NCAA tournament are better with him then with a new coach.