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(12-06-2018 02:19 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 01:21 PM)Banter Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 12:43 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 11:14 AM)Banter Wrote:  I am sure it will be the same as most years. We probably lose by about 10, and people will point to one guy who gets "hot" against us, but the reality is most good teams beat us because they can shoot. When they get hot we can't keep up because we have never been a good shooting team since I started watching Basketball.

I have only seen us win 3 or 4 times agains Xavier, so I have always considered us the little brother. In my opinion they have a much better program than we do... Though I am sure I will get flamed or called a Xavier fan for my thoughts on the Shootout.

Lol, I'd love to hear your explanation for that. Most of the anger from UC's side should be directed at the fact that we've allowed their program to be on equal footing since they've been winning the H2H games for quite a while now, stealing a couple at our place despite our inability to be competent at Cintas.

What metric do you want me to use? Xavier is better than us in most of them since 2000-2001.

Since 2000-2001:

• 6-13 Head to head record
• less overall wins
• less times ranked to finish the season
• less NCAA tourneys
• less conference titles
• much worse tournament record
• less All Americans
  

But we can always say we have more Final Four appearances...even though as a 30 year old I would have been 4 the last time that happened , and I would have been 8 the last time UC made it to the Elite 8...meanwhile Xavier has made it to the Elite Eight multiple times since the turn of the century.

We have not been the better team or program for over 20 years.

Wanted to fact check these so I did.

Shootout record since the year you gave is 6-12... (though we are 6-13 in our last 19...so why not go back that one extra year so we get the entire time period). There is no doubt our performance against them has been awful all things considered.

Lets use 1999-2000 as our starting point because that's what you would use to get 6-13 shootout record.

Xavier does have more wins, but mostly played in worse conferences over that span and didn't have the 5 year span where the administration blew everything up. The wins are X 456 and UC 441.

Tournament record 11-13 v. 20-15. They've been better and had a few breaks.

All Americans - Not sure where this comes from. I have UC with 5 in that span including 2 first team all americans. I have Xavier with 3, all third team all americans. You can add a few more if you include fringe publication freshman all americans.

UC has 5 conference titles, and 3 conf tournament titles
Xavier has 8 conference titles and 3 conference tournament titles (All but one conference title was in the A10).

I kept trying to find final AP polls and had no luck so fact checking that was difficult. However... I went back and looked at who had the higher tournament seed...or made the tournament when the other team didn't"
UC was higher or made when X didn't 9 times.
X was higher or made when UC didn't 9 times (and 5 of those were the 5 year stretch where UC didn't make it because of the Huggs firing and insane rebuild). They had the same seed once.

I'm sure we will see plenty of years where UC finished hire in the computer rankings.

I'm betting UC had more weeks ranked in the top 10 during that span.
I'm betting UC had more weeks ranked in the top 25 as well.

Wanted to bold a couple things to clear up possible discrepancies. I used 2000-2001 as a starting point as it was the first season in the new millennium and a clean starting point. Ill admit that having seasons in multiple years may have confused me and made me muck up a couple numbers.

I found the All American list for both schools on Wikipedia. I counted anyone who was named, no matter which team.

Final AP poll numbers are listed on Sports-Reference.

I am not a big basketball fan. I am a huge UC fan, so I watch the basketball program. I was in school from 2006-2011, so my time we were a football school, and I admit I care a lot more about our football team than our basketball team.

I went don't really understand basketball, and I have only been to one game. From my perspective Xavier has always been a better team, and to be honest they have a much more entertaining playstyle.