(05-19-2020 03:42 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-19-2020 02:03 AM)chester Wrote:  

(05-19-2020 12:14 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2020 10:17 PM)chester Wrote:  So, setting aside Alston and the prospect of SCOTUS involvement, there might be two antitrust suits on the horizon. The NCAA appears to have bought itself some time by declaring in 2019 that any permissible NIL-related compensation to athletes must be "tethered to education."

Quote:Finally, Student-Athletes argue that the NCAA may no longer rely on O’Bannon II’s conclusion that NCAA limits on cash payments untethered to education are critical to preserving the distinction between college and professional sports now that it has "endorse[d]" the very "same NIL benefits" at issue there. This argument is premature. As it stands, the NCAA has not endorsed cash compensation untethered to education; instead, it has undertaken to comply with the FPP Act in a manner that is consistent with O’Bannon II—that is, by loosening its restrictions to permit NIL benefits that are "tethered to education."

If the NCAA does allow NIL compensation in ways untethered to education in Jan 2021 or later, it would surely lead to another O'Bannon-type case.

Then there's this:

Quote:In March 2014, while the NCAA was litigating O’Bannon I, FBS football and D1 men’s and women’s basketball players filed several antitrust actions against the NCAA and eleven D1 conferences that were transferred to and, with one exception, consolidated before the same district court presiding over O’Bannon I. Rather than confining their challenge to rules prohibiting NIL compensation, StudentAthletes sought to dismantle the NCAA's entire compensation framework.

...Believe that one exception is the Jenkins aka "Kessler" case. I had thought it was consolidated with Alston but Gabe Feldman of Tulane Sports Law (@SportsLawGuy) recently stated in a podcast that Jenkins might be still be tried in New Jersey... Have since learned that the NCAA and other Alston defendants asked Judge Wilkens after her ruling in Alston to dismiss Jenkins. To my knowledge, she's not yet taken any action therewith.

The P5 needs to acquiesce to these pending changes and use it as a reason to leave the NCAA (which will only stall) behind. With the world of hurt the universities have suffered with the virus shutdown maximizing our revenue in basketball is as worthy of goal (ala OU/UGa vs the NCAA) as we could possibly have. We can make the changes the norm quickly and move past the NCAA and past the court rulings and into some much needed stable operations by utilizing this moment in time to make changes. Otherwise the NCAA is going to incumber each school with their stalling tactics. If we stay that course we'll all suffer all the more.

The golden days of private contributions to athletic funds is probably past peak now and with the looming economic fallout likely not to return, at least not for many years. We need to maximize all revenue streams as soon as possible. It's time to embrace the changes and move on.

JR, I 100% agree with you. Absolutely! Problem is, the SEC and the rest of the Ps don't agree with us. We Ps have all long been the prime perpetrators of this crime against valuable athletes, for we attract the most valuable among them but still subjugate them to fake "amateurism". To formally withdraw from the Cartel is admit that there is some distinction between ourselves and the rest, which would make it ever more difficult to rob folks under the guise, the lie of "amateurism."

What we really need is for fans of Ps to demand that the athletes be treated properly. I refuse to believe that that the level of pay has anything at all to do with why we support our teams. No, it's because they attend our schools...

Estimates for a breakaway P league, whether that is 2 to 4 conferences playing a self contained schedule is between 110 million per to 120 million. If that doesn't grab the attention of the AD's and Presidents to make this move nothing ever will, especially with what they are facing right now in shortfalls.

They should, for publicity's sake, be thinking of distancing themselves from a NCAA which is going to come out of this as the poster child of the plantation owner. The sooner we get ahead of this the better off we are.

I'm assuming that the upper tier would consist of between 48 to 56 schools after a few privates bow out of football, concentrate on basketball, and maybe a couple of G5's try to make the jump in investment level.

The natural winnowing of programs who won't or can't compete in a system that compensates and insures players will permit us to define whose in by voluntary association and established minimums will take care of the pretenders.

Then we need to get about ensuring that rivals are kept, regional scheduling for fans observed as much as is practical, and 1 or 2 OOC games of interest are played a year.

The structure needs to take care of the playoff participants based on seasonal long on field performance.

Build a winner of a system and it will stay a winner.

JR, here again I agree, but here again I thinlk that the SEC and the rest disagree with you and I. We, the P5 ARE the plantation owners. We conrol it all. We've shown zero willingness to treat the athletes fairly and have shown zero willingness to depart from the rest even if it means more money in the bank.

We area the sinners. We are the asshats controlling the whole charade. Things won't change until such time as we the fans or the courts or Congress force change. It's that simple. Meantime, we suuuck. We ALL suck.