(07-04-2018 04:40 PM)FIUFanatic Wrote:  

(07-04-2018 12:47 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(07-04-2018 12:05 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  

(07-04-2018 10:30 AM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  You may have missed this in several of the earlier post, so I will restate it here:

1) Each Marshall student pays MORE to prop up athletics than a FIU student.
2) More importantly, Marshall athletics takes MORE dollars from the University general funds than FIU.
3) To believe that consistent success at UNT, FAU, FIU wouldn not translate to improved ticket revenue, when that same formula brought in ticket dollars for Marshall, USM seems illogical.

So if the government puts a limit on what can be squeezed from an individual student, Marshall will hurt a lot sooner than FIU. If the government put a limit on what a university can move from general funds to athletics, Marshall will hurt sooner than FIU.

Blatantly false.

1.) University fees do not equal "athletic fees", as athletic fees are only one small part of the total fees assessed. In this 2016 report of Marshall's budget ( http://www.marshall.edu/2020/files/Inter...3-2016.pdf ), Marshall took in $4.5 million from student auxiliary fees, which translates to roughly $18 per credit hour from the student body. Per FIU's tuition website, you are charging $20 per credit hour for athletics. $18 vs $20 per hour is a virtual wash (which should not be put on the back of students seeking an education), but an individual Marshall students is NOT paying more per credit hour than an FIU student.

2.) FIU athletics took $24 million of non-organically generated support that could have been used for other application. Marshall athletics took $15 million of non-organically generated support that could have been used for other applications.

3.) Here is every Marshall football home game attendance since 2000 with each season's win percentage overlaid. Not much of a correlation.


In fact, Marshall's average rolling attendance peeks in the era in which Marshall's average rolling win percentage bottom's out. In those years, we hosted WVU twice, Va Tech, K-State, has a 21st ranked SOS. Excitement peaked, but the competition was more stiff (at a time we had a new coaching staff that never figured it out). In fact, last season is a year we rebounded and won a bowl game, yet our last 3 home games last year are all in our 12 smallest home crowds since we returned to FBS. Even though our winning went up, our fan engagement and excitement did not. Winning alone does not equal fan engagement.




There are movements growing around the nation that student tuition should not be supporting college athletics, which I personally support. However, we still have enough organically generated revenue - along with a separate line item in the state budget for tuition waivers that is not on the university's general fund appropriation - that should we lose student fees, Marshall would take a 15% haircut but would still have a fully functional athletics department. That's not true of everyone in this conference. :)

FIU sahletics fee is lower per credit hour than marshall's (audit report is not current but see page 6). FIU AD operations Audit
1) The article I linked says your fees are more than that, but you guys are not as transparent with your allocations as other universities are, so assume it is $18. FIU fee is $16.10 plus a $10 per semester. 12 credit per semester plus 10 bucks is $16.93. My math says 16.93 is less than $18.
FAU is $17.27, less than Marshall. UCF is $14.32, less than Marshall. Practically every school in Florida ask their students for less to prop up athletics than Marshall. Doesn't matter if it adds up to $4M or $24M, If you are gonna jump on your soapbox about the evils of urban universities "taxing" students for athletics, your school should not be taking a cent from your own students.

2) If $4M is all you get from student fees directly, and $15M is not self-generated by the AD, then $11M is coming from the university. So you are indirectly pulling $11M from students. Spin it anyway you want to but that is a hidden tax on your students.

3) Marshall has a $30M budget, by your math 50% is on the backs of students . Are you telling me that y'all can survive a 50% cut in your budget if the doom and gloom you predict for us also happened to you?

Jesus, what is wrong with these people? Their main argument goes against the big enrollment schools just because.....Get this, whether you like it or not, FIU, FAU, and UNT are strong financially and here to stay. It's evident that for some odd reason, some of you don't like it. Our students get charged....individually....less than other schools in terms of athletic fees. And we are not talking yet about the whole experience the students get for their total tuition and fees-which includes the academic offerings (FIU a lot stronger than some schools people here are arguing), and athletic offerings as well. We just happen to have 56,000 students. Deal with it. Geez.