(06-12-2018 10:05 AM)flyingswoosh Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 10:00 AM)stever20 Wrote:  One thing to also put in context on Madbum.. He's 4 months younger than Chris Sale is. March 30 to August 1 1989. I don't think anyone thinks Sale is close to his downside.

Oh, and Sale has no Cy Youngs, no ERA titles, and no 20 win seasons also. And he's got a 8.38 postseason ERA.

A) No one thinks Sale is a hall of fame pitcher.
B) Sale threw 96 innings before his age 23 season, Bumgarner threw 530. His arm has a lot more mileage on it.
C) Not that most voters care, but Sale's already accrued 12 more bWAR than Bumgarner.

In terms of regular season performance, those two are not even close. I suppose Bumgarner's post season performance closes the gap?

actually they are within 100 innings of each other right now- Madbum has 1514.2, Sale 1413.1. So no, his arm really doesn't have the mileage on it that you think.