(10-15-2017 06:11 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(10-14-2017 11:59 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 01:23 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 01:18 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 10:59 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  This is strictly for the attractiveness of UCF and USF for the Big 12 (as it's pointless to even consider them for the SEC or ACC, much less the Big Ten or Pac-12):

Advantages for UCF and USF: great locations both in terms of TV markets and recruiting; large enrollment schools that are growing fast; fairly good on-the-field track records compared to other G5 schools

Disadvantages for UCF and USF: arguably the most competitive college football market in the country with Florida and FSU being elite marquee programs and Miami being a top tier national TV brand (making attendance irrelevant with respect to Miami); very young FBS programs in a P5 world that craves/demands old school blue blood history even from weak programs (see Rutgers); real and perceived bias against "directional" schools in terms of branding; academic perception

Non-factor: It's irrelevant to argue that a G5 school would have better attendance or TV ratings by playing a P5 schedule because that would be true of *every* G5 school. Instead, a G5 school has to show that it would bring attendance, TV viewers and revenue to those *P5* schools as opposed to the other way around.

Now, I'll know we'll hear the arguments that it's hypocritical to use, say, academics as a factor against UCF and USF when you see a school like UNC systemically violating the NCAA's academic procedures... and those arguments are entirely correct. However, if you're a school on the outside looking in, it simply doesn't matter. Every argument that is used to keep you out will be emphasized much more heavily than any argument to bring you in. Simply being better than #65 out of the 65 P5 schools is NOT the standard being used.

Of course, all those points are moot if the Big 12 or any other P5 conference doesn't yield more per school revenue by choosing to expand. UCF and/or USF could go undefeated for the next 10 years straight and it wouldn't matter if that revenue equation doesn't change.

Addressing solely the point about directional names and perception of academics: I agree that is probably what people think in average. And it’s too bad and a bit unfair in USF’s case, because it actually has pretty good research.

Would be interesting if they’d consider a name change. Not sure what would make sense or be available, though. UF-Tampa Bay?

What would be wrong with University of Tampa and University of Orlando? USF may be south of UCF, but not by much.

Edit: U of Tampa is taken (private DII school). U of Orlando isn't.

[/b]UCF actually looked at branding itself UF-Orlando, until they noticed UFO. That nixed the idea permanently. UCF decided on a different course of action and it has really paid off well for them: insist on being referred to as UCF, much like USC is referred to as USC, and not Southern California. Nobody is going to confuse UCF for USC, but USC has made its directional name work by referring to itself by initials. UCF decided to adopt that same strategy and it has worked. USF is doing something similar. If any Florida schools need to look at a name change, it would be FAU & FIU. Those schools have really struggled, IMO, and their names don't help them at all.

Did you actually just make this up?

No, I didn't. I used to know a UCF fan named Sportdwf on the old AOL college football boards, and he told me about it. I don't know how to get in contact with him though or even how to access the AOL college football message boards. When I find him & see him again, I'll send him over here.