(07-24-2020 05:43 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 05:15 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 04:51 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 03:45 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

Quote:what additional information has been provided that says this isn't what happened or adds context to the situation? We haven't found out that they Feds were looking for a specific individual, have we?

As to the accompanying list you cite with the above, well..... big fat whoopee.

What is left out and adds to the context is the veritable street warfare shitstorm happening in the very immediate area, and the danger to officers to wade into a mob to make a detention or arrest, or the presence to even attract a mob. That is kind of a biggie.

And, as to your last question, they were actually looking for Pettibone. Per the director's comments.

They did not have enough to charge him and let him go. And, Pettibone shut down all conversation at the get go with his invocation for a lawyer.

Now you have first hand evidence of the efficacy of the first and second rules of criminal law given to people: Never talk with the police willingly; and always ask for an attorney.

I have also heard you should never let anybody search anything.

That is a good one as well.

Quote:OTOH, if my ex-wife had not allowed the cops to search her place, her second husband may not have had to go to prison.

It is kind of dependent. If there is a zero chance that they are looking at you, welcome in officer, can I get you a lemonade.

If they is any hint of them suspecting you -- no way Joe. Please get a warrant.

In the Texas Ranger case, I felt I had no choice - how suspicious would it look if I consulted a lawyer. But the warrant covered all my land contiguous to the area the body was found - about 200 acres. I thought, what if they go looking and find a still, or illegal deer blinds, or somebody's drug stash? But I signed, they just checked in the area of the body and I never was contacted again.

And you did the right thing -- there was a warrant. The stickier ones are the 'can I search your car' thingies. Those are the ones you have every right to say no to.

Quote:As for my ex, no they weren't looking at her. But if her husband had not been in jail, I am sure he would have refused them.

Those are the funniest ones. I did a pro bono many moons ago where the 18 year old + 2 days child of the couple gave consent to search. I had a friend who had the 'wife gave consent' --- word to the wise, one always hopes your wife isnt royally mad at you on the day that the cops appear at the door asking for consent to search the house.