(07-24-2020 01:47 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 01:35 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  Im talking about your attempt at painting the mere presence of Federal officers, their mere existence, as the sole reason for the street warfare. I noted your language above if you care.

First of all, in the previous response you quoted a *** **** article, as if I wrote chose the word "appear." That wasn't even my language - literally the only time I wrote "appear" was when I put it in quotes. Chris.

Quote:Second, I think it is the Feds ACTIONS that caused the biggest issue - which was them deciding to detain people using unmarked vans. Them just being present wasn't a problem.

Considering the largest riot to date until then happened *before* that detention, I think you are a tad temporally myopic there. Oh, but the issues of the one way direction of time be damned I guess.

Yes, that riot has begat other nights of rioting; and that riot begat the Federal detentions.

Which brings us straight back to the three part question posed to you earlier:

The Feds have three choices:

a) let the shitbirds riot and assault;
b) wade into the crowd and make arrests;
c) make arrests away from the courthouse.

Which do you support the Feds doing? Should be simple, a), b), or c)?

Seems to me those are the only three things that actually could occur according to straight existence logic, so there shouldnt be much 'nuance' there.

Quote:Third, I provided a DIRECT QUOTE from one of the leaders of the Portland Police that says that the Feds' actions made things more complicated for local officials. See:

Quote:“I don’t have authority over federal officers,” Davis said. “They’re governed by their own policies and procedures. They’re acting under federal law, federal authority. … It does complicate things for us.”

Perhaps not doing a Harry Houdini prior to the largest riot, and during that largest riot, would not have been such a complicating factor. Yes the police failed. Absolutely. Their disappearance is quite the conundrum. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to say 'wow the shitbirds dont like the courthouse, maybe we should put some officers there for, well, this thing called actually maintaining law and order'.

Quote:You keep trying to assign value to me discussing what did or didn't occur, when you shouldn't be. The only flag I've staked is that the van grabs made things worse - and I keep finding evidence to suggest that is true.

Great, then answer the question above. a), b), or c). Bingo bango bongo.