(07-24-2020 01:30 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 01:19 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 01:13 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 01:11 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-24-2020 12:06 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Not true. Portland police were active well up until the Feds showed up on July 1 and Portland Police collaborated with Feds during riot control measures in early July (and possible later - I don’t feel like reading through the entire article).

C’mon, just do a bit of cursory background research before stating things with such certainty that can easily be checked.

https://www.opb.org/news/article/police-...-officers/

So where do *you* think the decision not to put cops in the street came from, lad? The dogcatcher's office? The road department? The timing of the decision is rather immaterial -- you just steadfastly refuse to denote that he City of Portland, at the highest levels, is supporting the anti Federal 'protests'. As they tacitly did back when the same types of shitbirds were protesting the immigration issues.

Maybe it came from the City Library office?

Two things - can you link to what you're talking about?

And nothing I've said has anything to do with where any decision came from. C'mon, actually respond to what I'm saying, which is about when Portland Police were or were not trying to control the riots and assist the federal agents.

If the timing is immaterial, then stop bringing up the timing. When you stop posting false things, I'll stop telling you they are false.

The initial point (made no more than 24 hours ago) was your 'the police failed' comment.

I find that kind of -- not on point, when the city of Portland is quasi collaborationist. Anyone not living under a rock notes that.

I find your insistence and focus on the 'police failure' to be amazingly a cop out (pun, hahah, except when you are one of the Feds that might have suffered permanent eye damage from the 'Pink Floyd laser light show' being done on a nightly basis) when you ignore the collaborationist stance of the entire city administration of Portland.

edited to add: Now I note you are back on your 'she wouldnt have had the **** beat out of her is she had been compliant' argument. Lolz. The sheer temerity of the Feds actually trying to maintain order around their own building. The horrors. Just their mere presence is enough to blame them apparently. Any more kneejerks you are gonna start a real tornado warning in your general vicinity.

Jesus christ,this is exhausting - stop ignoring what I'm saying.

From earlier: "But I have no problem with expanding that comment to include the city government if it makes you happy. Portland (as a whole) absolutely failed at defusing the situation from the start."

I'm "focusing" on the police because they are the people who act - city managers aren't actively trying to quell protests. So when talking about whether or not the City of Portland acted, it's a lot easier to focus on whether or not the police were active in trying to manage protests. Evidence shows that the Portland Police (i.e. the city) were trying to actively manage crowds, and failing at it, before AND after the Feds showed up.

And I frankly have no idea what that last edit is talking about - stop using hyperbolic language that obscures the point you're trying to make.

Im talking about your attempt at painting the mere presence of Federal officers, their mere existence, as the sole reason for the street warfare. I noted your language above if you care.