(07-20-2020 02:47 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Fair enough, but this is an example of why I hate doing these rabbit trails with you... and we end up arguing about what we're arguing about.

The question shouldn't be (and never was intended to be) 'did they spend $400 and write a pretty simple petition including 'allegations' and 'beliefs'' which is what this has turned in to... but the question should be, is the response that we are getting from the local, clearly anti-Trump/anti-feds government consistent with the magnitude of the claimed allegations?


What I'm reading into the lawsuit is exactly what I'd expect to read into a manipulation.
- These are the things that have been alleged.
- IF such things are happening, it could have a chilling effect on Constitutional rights.
- Because of that 'IF', We ask that you write a strongly worded note (almost literally what it asks for) saying that those things, whether or not they are actually happening are not okay...

If those things are really happening AS DESCRIBED, I'd be seeking a Federal investigation, condemnation of the FBI or whomever on the floor of Congress and removal of those sanctioning such actions.... and not some strongly worded note.

As I believe 93 asked, I can't believe libertarians (not to mention anti-Trumpers) would stand for this.

So why am I more upset about the allegations than the Portland AG?


ETA: This is what leads me to the conclusion that at least some of these 'facts' are gross exaggerations. They're not out and out lies... but I'm guessing that it's really that FBI don't wear uniforms like the police and drive cars like the police... and instead they 'flash their badges'... and that they people are being told why they're being brought in, but they disagree that it's sufficient...

and in that instance, what we see here is EXACTLY what I'd expect to see in response

Did you watch the video of the incident we’re discussing?

And frankly, maybe we wouldn’t go down the rabbit holes if some assumptions weren’t made about what has or hasn’t happened. My criticism is based on what I watched on a video - where men in military garb (likely Customs and Border agents, not the FBI) did exactly what I’ve criticized them of doing.