(07-20-2020 09:28 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 09:16 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(07-20-2020 06:51 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Regarding federal agents in unmarked cars picking up people off the street.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't somebody set a federal building on fire? That is clearly a federal offense, and the federales clearly have jurisdiction anywhere in the USA, with or without an invite from the governor or mayor. I'm guessing they had security cameras and I'm guessing they have some kind of facial recognition. It would then make sense to pick up people off the street matching the descriptions of the perps, and as far as unmarked cars, have you ever gotten a speeding ticket from an unmarked police car? Or have you ever heard of anyone being arrested by a plainclothes or undercover LEO?

As I think it was Tanq explained above, there's no violation with picking people up as long as there is some kind of reasonable basis for so doing, and as long as they are released relatively quickly. To hold someone, you need more, but there's a good chance they have more.

I really don't understand the problem here.

As I'm now understanding it, the problem is that you don't blindly accept the first, clearly 'staged' explanation of what happened. We are to simply believe the wild story straight out of some conspiracy playbook that people are being 'disappeared' (yes, that specific word has been used) off of streets for no reason other than perhaps a peaceful protest, bags placed over their heads... being driven in circles to confuse them.....etc etc etc... and those poor impotent local officials, rather than filing charges and getting an injunction from a highly favorable court, we get NPR stories and 'we don't like you' from city officials.

I mean really.... all one has to do is look with a 'are you sure' eye and the answers are all there.

Hint... FBI doesn't use cars with FBI emblazoned on the side. They don't anywhere and never have that I'm aware of. They do use 'government' plates. They also wear uniforms, and those supposedly 'disappeared' admit that the people wore uniforms... but they didn't recognize them because they didn't have a boy scout troop number on their shoulder.... and then the (in perhaps the most shocking of all revelations) drove them to a cabin in the woods somewhere AKA the Federal Court House downtown to ask them questions about Federal crimes.

Oh the horror and mistreatment!


Seriously, people on the left of this issue... If THIS is what gets you guys all worked up... if THESE are your examples of 'federal over-reach', then why is Federal action your 'go-to' answer for almost everything? These conspiracy theories are worse than the right-wing anarchists.

There isn't a conspiracy - I'm criticizing the method the Customs and Border Protection officers used to detain this person. I'm criticizing them for not verbally communicating to the person who they were or why they were being detained (fact), and then placing the person in an umarked vehicle and driving off (fact).

Do you disagree that this method doesn't seem similar to how people are "disappeared"? The guy was released and told the story, obviously I'm not arguing that they actually disappeared someone, I'm criticizing them for deploying a method that looks shockingly similar.

Part of the social contract with LEOs is that the public can hold them accountable - we know who they are or can identify them so if they abuse their power they can be held to account. Or am I off on that idea?

Gosh, you are right - it sounds much like actions in the
Soviet Union, Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea - places that were the subjects of a leftist takeover. Yet you support a leftist takeover. Hmmm.

That is, if they really are abductions by a secret police. But so far, as much or more evidence exists for UFOs. We have video of them, too.