(07-06-2020 08:16 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 07:47 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 07:36 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-06-2020 05:21 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  But his subject did seem more than fine with political speech and at-will employment resulting in someone’s firing.

But there is a distinct difference between an at-will employee and tenured faculty. In fact, the reason for tenure is so that precisely this sort of thing does not happen.

I know the professor is a tenured faculty at U Chicago, but the uproar has nothing to do with his faculty position. It's in regards to his position with a journal, where tenure doesn't have any bearing.

Quote:Ward Churchill probably stretched the envelope as far as possible, and was dismissed (in the opinion of this academic, rightly so) although many in academia have argued that he should have been retained. His academic credentials were suspect, he was grated tenure in what can only be described as an irregular manner, and there were a number of criticisms of plagiarism and other violations in his research. His termination was at least nominally based upon those criticisms, although arguably if he hadn't pushed the limits quite so far in his political commentary, he would have kept his job.

Academia is a leftist socialist/communist indoctrination echo chamber. Not where I am, fortunately, but that is by far the prevailing sentiment.

No urge to go down this rabbit hole again, but suffice to say I disagree with the premise of academia as a whole, and across the board, being an indoctrination/echo chamber. But you and your ilk continue to preach that from the mountain tops until it becomes a fact in the eyes of many.

edit: to add a bit more to the discussion:

Quote:A University of Chicago economics professor will return to his journal editor post after the school reviewed a claim that he scorned Martin Luther King Jr. during class, determining there was “not a basis” for more investigation.

The university announced on Monday that it finished reviewing claims that professor Harald Uhlig made discriminatory comments during class and that he will be reinstated as lead editor of the Journal of Political Economy, a renowned academic publication printed by the school’s press.

“The University has completed a review of claims that a faculty member engaged in discriminatory conduct on the basis of race in a University classroom,” university spokesman Gerald McSwiggan wrote in a Monday statement. “The review concluded that at this time there is not a basis for a further investigation or disciplinary proceeding.”

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/brea...story.html

But the point is very interesting in the small details as well.

Are you aware of the reputation of U Chi -- or the U Chi School of Economics? Think about it. It is probably *only* because of the school's predilection that there was a reinstatement.

A neighbor's kid got accepted to U Chi two years back. In the acceptance package the "welcome and congratulations" letter then said, and still says, 'Our commitment to academic freedom means that we do not support so-called trigger warnings, we do not cancel invited speakers because their topics might prove controversial and we do not condone the creation of intellectual safe spaces where individuals can retreat from ideas and perspectives at odds with their own'.

Think about that culture that is being engendered with the letter above, and with the actions of Krugman.

I mean that thuggery translates elsewhere. I noted earlier that the City of Austin yanked 100 million (25%) from the police budget. And they did it on a fantastically rushed basis. I cant tell you how many people I have talked to that are disgusted by the move, but would not sign a widely circulated petition against the action due to concerns about *their* jobs, or concerns about threats to *their* business.

One client did so. And he is now a target of actual threats of both economic and physical reprisal from private groups. And he has been told in no uncertain terms to not bother trying to renew his city contracts.

I mean, dance all you want, thuggery is thuggery. I guess my client's issues are 'overblown' as well in light of your analysis. I will be sure to tell him so. I am also quite certain he will be relieved that you say it is so.

No offense, notwithstanding all the dancing about Republicans going fascist in the last 30 years, it is in fact the progressives that are running full throttle into Maoism and fascism at the current juncture. The cancel culture is simply one of the facets of that new found crush on the Cultural Revolution from the left.

Again, I have not argued that cancel culture doesn't exist. I've explicitly stated it does - why do you keep acting like I haven't? When they actually occur they are not overblown. I am saying that the supposed frequency of them are overblown - either they happen with less frequency than purported or the outcomes are less severe (somehow U Chicago reinstating the professor is a small detail).

And what actions did Krugman take? Per the article he wrote a criticizing tweet, but I didn't see it reference any concrete actions taken by Krugman.