(07-02-2020 09:49 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 09:41 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 09:26 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 09:06 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(07-02-2020 08:44 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I understand why your ilk want to paint liberals with that brush. I am arguing that you and your ilk are self-defeating by unreasonably doing it. You and your ilk water-down actual communism and socialism when you do that.

I also find it supremely ironic that you and your ilk constantly caw about how awful it is to be painted as racists/Nazis because racists/Nazis actively run for political office under the conservative banner, or openly and actively support mainstream conservative politicians. But you and your ilk have no problem painting with an even broader brush about groups like antifa or actual communists.

How else does one describe the concurrent acts and goals of: a) redistributing wealth based on principles of 'fairness'; b) continuously attacking the fundamental principles of capitalism; c) the huge attraction to the congruent principles of wealth redistribution and massive use of government power and intrusiveness to do so?

And the funny thing, you use the ideal of a fringe element of 'racists' and 'nazis' in your delineation of the terribleness of denoting a-c (and perhaps more) as 'socialist'. Yet you blithely overlook the concept that all the while that the Nazi/skinhead/racist moniker is, in fact, a fringe -- in fact a fringe that is continuously denounced.

The concepts of a)-c) above are part of the progressive national platform.

Interesting ability to overlook those issues.

In conclusion, when you come up with a word that encompasses a)-c) above *better* than 'socialism', I will be more than happy to use it. Funny thing is that a)-c) (i.e. the progressive goals) are actually closer to the root philosophy of national socialism than any thing in the Republican platform --- albeit your branch does not have 'get rid of the mud people' in it. Your branch *does* have 'FK the police' in it in the same manner that conservatism is 'related' to the racial component of national socialism, as in interesting side note.

I look forward to that proffered word as substitute. But, I also note that I am also looking forward to your deconstruction of the Inhofe book as an example of 'denialism', or, in the alternative, your notation that you did not read the book and are blowing smoke out of your ass in your description of that book as 'denialist' literature. That is, without having bothered to read it.

You make my point well - you're developing a new definition for socialism and communism which doesn't include the central tenant that the means of production are commonly owned.

You're correct that progressive goals which have those three aspects are closer to true socialism/communism than unfettered capitalism, but they are still not socialism/communism. And when you and your ilk constantly deride pretty much any regulation/taxation as communism/socialism, you bastardize the concept and undermine your own goal (of trying to push people away from true socialism/communism).

Tell Newsweek that they arent socialism. I remember a cover story that loudly proclaimed that not horribly long ago. Funny that.

Again, tell me a better word than that for that progressive triumvirate that the government is king, that the government will dictate social and economic policy, and that the concept of wealth possession shall be dictated by fairness.

Funny thing, all of those concepts appear in the forms of societies that are called (drum roll)...... socialist.

So what the fk do you want to call that shittard stupid triumvirate of principles? I am still waiting for that lad.

The government will dictate social and economic policy????

THE HORRORS OF LIVING IN A COUNTRY WHERE THE GOVERNMENT SETS SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC POLICY - SAVE ME FROM THAT NIGHTMARISH HELL!!!!!

We are trying, but it's like trying to rescue a drowning man - you are trying to pull us down with you. Stop fighting us.

Yes, the Soviet Union, North Korea, Venezuela, and Cuba are all paradises that nobody ever tried to escape from. You ever wonder who set social and economic policy for Nazi Germany? National socialism = nazi.

And now we have a clear admission from lad that he's a Socialist. He pines to be controlled and poor. I knew it.